Original Pedal vs Clone, What Would You Do?

Original Pedal vs Clone, What Would You Do?

  • Original + pend the additional $$$

    Votes: 7 41.2%
  • Clone

    Votes: 4 23.5%
  • Neither

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Rob Option

    Votes: 6 35.3%

  • Total voters
    17

Kais

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Say you wanted to buy a discontinued pedal.

You could buy a used one for $150 (regular price $200) or the clone for $100. The clone's stompbox graphics are lame, and your not 100% sure it'll sound the same as its made by some dude in his basement.

The original is not true bypass, and will cost probably $50 to do so. But it's the original in its full glory. Comes with the box too. It's considered a highly sought after pedal from the 90's, hence why they ever make a clone.

Which do you opt for?
 
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Clone

That way you can either (1) use better components, (2) design/make a better buffer, and/or (3) build it true to spec for waaaaay less than $100. Probably closer to 50-60
 
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If it really is a sought after discontinued pedal with a good price I'll get it as I'll get my money back or more if I sell it later.

If not, a clone or an improved version.
 
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Ah i forgot the mention, usually the pedal sells for $200 but you found a "deal" for $150
 
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With 'only' a $50 diff between the real deal (albeit used) and the unknown clone, i would deff spend the extra $50.00 and know i get what i wanted.

I do NOT want to spend $100.00 on an experiment that might very well NOT deliver.

That is a more a financial loss, then the extra $50 you had to dish out for the real deal.
 
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Generally, I'd go for a clone, prices being equal. But keep in mind, when I look at clones, I'm not looking for an exact replica, but more of something in the vain of the original pedal in question. For example, the new SD 805 overdrive compared to a bone stock TS-9.

If it was between something like a Joyo and a Fulltone, I'd get the Fulltone every time.
 
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i build my own then tweak them to taste.
However, it totally depends on the pedal.
For example, i wanted a really nicely tuned NKT275 fuzzface, so i bought an analogman fuzzface clone. Its amazing. Is a sunface really a clone tho? Its a case where the clone has far surpassed the original in terms of reliability and functionality, and the analog mike's concept of building such a thing and make it accessible to many was pretty damn cool.
In the case of muffs, my friend who owns a russian green muff and i did an AB test with his original unit and my clone (which i had already tweaked to my taste). HE and i both preferred the clone.
Klon pedals...two grand? Gimme a break. Not many musicians can drop that kind of coin on a sexy oversized gold enclosure. Gimme a clone any day.
Most of the boutique pedals out there are a clone of something else anyway.

Btw ive noticed you are studiously avoiding mentioning which pedal you are talking about. Are you afraid of being Orpheo'ed?
 
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Even when the original is out of production?

I'd buy both, then sell the one I liked less.

Yes...

If possible I go for originals.

I do buy a lot of fuzzes that are copies of old units but face it...$2500 for a Tone Bender that might be good or $400 for a clone that i know is good.

However if we're talking about a newer pedal and a pedal that's $150 I say original all day.


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Copies of 30+ year old pedals where the manufacturer is out of business are legit.

Copies that are a ripoff of a current production boutique pedal are plagiarism and I would rather pay the man who thought of it first.

For your scenario... You score an original one, you let it get rare / valuable, and you sell it when the money sounds better than the pedal. Your clone won't appreciate in value like that.
 
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+1

With an addendum: unless the vintage pedal you're looking at is one known for noise/reliability issues, go for the original.
 
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I'd probably always get the clone ...depends slightly on the pedal though...for instance a whammy..(though the new Mooer Super Bender might take care of that :laugh2: ). In my experience most clones sound really, really good. Some, I would say sound better than the original. (Ts9 clones with actual low end presence for example). I've also had good experiences with 'verb/delay pedals (clones)..
 
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Copies of 30+ year old pedals where the manufacturer is out of business are legitimately.

Copies that are a ripoff of a current production boutique pedal are plagiarism and I would rather pay the man who thought of it first.

Just curious...what do you think of 'modellers/profilers' like AxeFx, Kemper etc... any moral outrage?
 
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No moral outrage... They don't sound as good as tube amps and will be obsolete in five years. You guys can have your fun with them.
 
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haha...at the price they cost? lol, no thanks.. I prefer (cheap) tube or SS amps myself. I meant they 'model' (ie rip-off/plagiarise) current production boutique amps/stomps too (100's of them in one go) & I guess you could rightly say that takes the food out of the mouths of the poor boutique guys (Bogner, Mesa, Eventide, Moog..etc) ..but you don't hear much complaining about that like you do with say...Behringer or the Chinese pedals. So is it a moral/ethical issue ...or a price/image/gear snob one?
 
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Copies of 30+ year old pedals where the manufacturer is out of business are legit.

Copies that are a ripoff of a current production boutique pedal are plagiarism and I would rather pay the man who thought of it first.

For your scenario... You score an original one, you let it get rare / valuable, and you sell it when the money sounds better than the pedal. Your clone won't appreciate in value like that.
Current boutique pedals are ripoffs of either older designs or, in the case of jhs, ripoffs of designs that were built as public domain projects. Some pedal guys have backtracked and tried to credit the circuit designers and those companies are bretty gud guise.
 
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It's not nearly as deep as you're making it... you just play the gear you like. All that digital stuff sounds like garbage TO ME. I'm a musician and I'm dedicated to my art and I don't give a **** what it costs to sound the way I want to sound. Combined with good luck and working in an industry that deals exclusively with the tools that I use to craft my art, I've been fortunate enough to be able to purchase some amazing equipment for pretty ridiculous deals. I work hard, save money, and buy the **** that works FOR ME, and my handwired tube heads from the late 60's and early 70's sound, feel, and are better FOR ME than is some digital thing that has a billion features I won't use and will be worth dirt in less than a decade because digital technology is constantly being upgraded and improved upon and advertized as now, FINALLY (again), sounding as good as the gear I've been using since before I could drive.

Maybe you grew up using and playing digital stuff and that's why you like it. Maybe your ears are used to digital and solidstate and so that's what you like or prefer. That's totally cool too. As long as you're making music and writing songs, whatever. It's actually to your benefit because most major music retailers will no longer buy that stuff to resale so you can find it for almost nothing on the used market. Cool for you, lame for whoever spent a month's salary on it five years ago.

(I watched the Sunn model T that's my main amp climb from $600 to $2000 in the last ten years. Good luck selling your AxeFX for that in 10 years when computers are built into your clothes.)

I've started using lots of food analogies when it comes to music equipment. Can you imagine a forum like this where people talk about pizza toppings... or what should go on the best sandwich... People would be screaming and ranting and thinking of complex moral justifications for ham vs. turkey, pepperoni vs. sausage, and all kinds of pointless crap. Then you start getting into ordering from Pizza Hut versus some gourmet celebrity chef foodie snob pizza joint or the local mom-n-pop joint or heating up a frozen pie "that tastes almost as good as the real thing" or slapping your own dough yourself........

To each their own, y'know... You like (and play) what you like because you like it. I'll judge your tone after I've decided I like your song so much that I can't stop listening to it.

But to the point of this thread: Building a computer that pretends to sound like a handwired tube amp is not the same thing as building an exact point-for-point copy of a tube amp made by somebody else and claiming yours is better because it costs less.

If a dude was like, "This is my TWEAKED, IMPROVED version of a ZVex Box of Rock with lots of different features I think you'll like," that's not plagiarism, that's innovation. The Line 6 M-series multiFX are digital simulations of pedal boards... GREAT IDEA... I love it... I won't use it, but I can definitely see why people would. It's innovative. It's new technology designed to replace the old. Love it.

If a dude was like, "This is an exact copy of a ZVex Box of Rock I built in my garage and I'll sell it to you for $20 less than Zvex," I'd say, "**** you dude, Zack did the world a favor by making that pedal and you're a dick for trying to take money out of his pocket. Either invent something new and amazing or get a real job, *******."

Clones of handwired 60's Fender amps are okay because Fender doesn't make those anymore and Leo hasn't made a dime from that company in a long time. Taking money out of a working artist's pocket is rude at best, evil at worst. "Hey dude I LOVED that pedal you thought up! Yeah I paid some Chinese kid $14.97 to build me a copy of it! Go **** yourself!" You know what I mean...

Kinda like how seeing a cover band is so completely lame compared to seeing the real thing. Y'know unless it's MY cover band, we're way better than the Sex Pistols ever were.
 
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Current boutique pedals are ripoffs of either older designs or, in the case of jhs, ripoffs of designs that were built as public domain projects. Some pedal guys have backtracked and tried to credit the circuit designers and those companies are bretty gud guise.

Of course they are. But most boutique pedals are "ripoffs" of vintage pedals that are selling for insane prices and were built by companies and people who are long gone. And most of them aren't straight up copies... they're tweaked or have features added to make them better.

I use a Stone Deaf pedal that's a copy of a vintage Maestro pedal that sells for $300... I don't feel any shame in that because they're filling a VERY small gap in the market and catering to actual musicians.

That's completely different to me from building a clone of the OCD for a small discount. You're saving $20 but you're ripping off the ARTIST who DESIGNED the pedal you're using to DESIGN your ART of a lot more than that.

You either understand my way of thinking, or you're not an artist that values their art. Good for you.

EDIT: OR...or... you're an artist who values their own art more than the art of the artists who HELPS YOU CREATE YOUR ART, or who thinks your art is just better than other's because YOUR make it. And that just makes you a dick head.
 
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