other bridge pickup for Epi SG? help needed

ec101dm

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Hi there!!

I’m new here, so let me introduce myself. I’m Danny, 33 years old, and I’ve Been playing guitar and bass since 18 years now. I’m from Belgium, so please don’t be too hard on faulty use of English :-)

Lately I’ve put a “hotrodded humbucker” set from SD in my Epi SG, because the stockpickups sounded a bit bland and dull to me.

Well, after some weeks of intense usage I have to admit I’m only for 60 % satisfied with this modification.

The neck humbucker, an SH-2 “Jazz” is great: clear and well contoured tone, warm but not too dull, perfect for clean sounds and mild bluesy overdrive, and perfect for producing that classic “woman tone” with rolled-back tone control.

But the bridge humbucker, being the legendary JB, is really disappointing. I’d heard this pup before in several other guitars (mostly Les Paul’s) and in those it sounded splendid to my ears. But not in my SG. In my SG it sounds terribly shrill, with an overdose of hi-mids and barely bottom/low end at all. I hear some nasty frequency in its sound, which I cannot eliminate by equalizing. Some people have described that sound as a “cocked wah” and when reading reviews this seems to be typical for the JB. Seems that it doesn’t sound good in each guitar, or that you need a guitar with much wood (= a thick body) as some sort of sonic counterweight to the piercing highs.

Now: to make things clear: I like the “base sound “ of the JB (don’t know if that’s the correct term, I hope you’ll understand what I mean here). It comes through well in band situations and is well-suited for crunchy to hi-gain lead sounds. I only want to get rid of that shrill quality and annoying metallic frequency. So I’d like to stick with Seymour Duncans for sure.
(On a side note: I’m not planning to mess with replacing magnets or the like. I don’t trust myself doing that, I’m far too clumsy. So I won’t touch it.)

So I was wondering: which SD pickup would be better for me? It has to be moderately hot, clear, but above all: it has to be WELL-BALANCED (= not overly emphasizing certain frequencies). I myself was thinking of a Custom-5 (SH-14). When reading the description on the website, it seems soundwise not too far from the JB, but it seems to have more bottom, less piercing highs and less penetrating hi-mids…

I’d like to hear your recommendations, ideas, suggestions, etc…!!!

Oh by the way, I play mainly 80’s new wave, indie rock and old school metal. Some names: Joy Division, Pixies, Sisters Of Mercy, old Christian Death, old Metallica, …

Cheers from Belgium,
Danny
 
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Re: other bridge pickup for Epi SG? help needed

Welcome aboard. Your English is fine, better than some of the Americans here.

Probably the most recommended bridge PU here for SG's is a C5. It does very well in mahogany (whereas a JB isn't reliable in that type of wood). One potential drawback to a C5 is that its somewhat scooped.

A second candidate making ground lately is the C8 (C5 with an A8 magnet) which you can get from Wymore Guitars.com (they ship overseas). It has more mids than C5 giving it a fuller sound and a more balanced EQ. I use a C8 in a couple Epi SG's myself. Great PU.
 
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I have a Custom 5 in my Epi SG and I love it. Its EQ has some scoop mids, but, in an SG sounds perfect, because this guitar have more pronounced mids.

(sorry for my english, I'm from Brazil)
 
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Smooth,even tone with more bass than the Jb? I'd personally got with a PATB-3b.
 
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Remember where the JB comes from: it originally went at the bridge of Jeff Beck's tele. So the JB likes a 25 1/2" scale bolt-on guitar. The JB also sounded really nice in basswood guitars with Floyd Rose tremelos in the 80's (it sounded great in my red Kramer). Not everyone likes it in a Les Paul, and most people don't like it in an SG.

I sometimes think of pickups like "French Food" and "Italian Food".

In many French recipes, there is an elaborate sauce which defines the flavor of the meal. So to me a "French" pickup is one that dominates the natural sound of the guitar. This is generally true of very powerful pickups, and pickups with extreme voices. (I guess that means a dual recto is a french amp....).

Italian recipes are often based on more subtle sauces which try to bring out the natural flavors of the meat. So an "Italian" pickup to me brings out the natural tone of the guitar, generally more along the lines of a vintage-voiced pickup. (Gee, Dumble doesn't *sound* like an Italian name...).


Most of us are somewhere in the middle. We want to preserve the natural sound of the guitar but compensate a bit for its weaknesses. An SG is a brash aggressive guitar with a lot of upper mids (just like the JB!) and it doesn't have a lot of bottom or nuance. So choose a pickup with some good bottom and low mids with some top-end sparkle but not a lot of high mids.

I either don't have enough to do today, or I'm just really hungry.
 
Re: other bridge pickup for Epi SG? help needed

hey thanx already guys, this is helpful !!
I appreciate it a lot, keep the ideas coming :-)

choose a pickup with some good bottom and low mids with some top-end sparkle but not a lot of high mids

@ Taxi: so which pup would you have in mind?? sounds a lot like Custom5/8 to me, as the other contributors also mentioned...?
 
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Another big C5 fan here thanks to blueman! The more I play my Epi SG with the C5 the more I love it. I'm not even gloing to bother trying an A8 in there... it's sorted.
 
Re: other bridge pickup for Epi SG? help needed

I sometimes think of pickups like "French Food" and "Italian Food".

In many French recipes, there is an elaborate sauce which defines the flavor of the meal. So to me a "French" pickup is one that dominates the natural sound of the guitar. This is generally true of very powerful pickups, and pickups with extreme voices. (I guess that means a dual recto is a french amp....).

Italian recipes are often based on more subtle sauces which try to bring out the natural flavors of the meat. So an "Italian" pickup to me brings out the natural tone of the guitar, generally more along the lines of a vintage-voiced pickup. (Gee, Dumble doesn't *sound* like an Italian name...).

And a big thanks to Julia Childs today. Stay tuned for tomorrow's episode, where we answer the question "French Fries: are they really French?"
 
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Just do what I'm doing, put in the C5 and have the A8 magnet ready to go if you need it!
 
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that's a good idea.
I was also wondering: is a C8 not too powerful for clean sounds?
 
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If you think the C5 is good in an SG, I'm here to tell you the C8 is magnificent! The only Custom that I like, and I really LOVE it in the bridge of my Epi SG.
 
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it's gonna arrive in a few days...

I'll keep you guys updated once it has been installed :-)
 
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Cool. I have a C8 in my LP and it's a great sounding and balanced pick up. Although I still have absolutely no plans to change the C5 to a C8 in the SG, but then your amps will have a big impact too. Looking forward to see what you think.
 
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The jury is still out on my C5. I love it for clean and mildly distorted stuff, not so much for metal. I'm probably going to keep it as is for a month or so and then I'll try out the C8. I feel like I could benefit from cutting out the highs a little bit and tightening it up and adding some mids which is what the A8 will probably do.
 
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I have a strong feeling i will like the C8 a lot!

My only fear is that it won't have enough brightness for me (I need some bite in my sound), but Blueman assured me that won't be the case :-)

anyway, I'll still have the alnico V magnet from my JB to change it to Custom5 if necessary. "IF" indeed!!
 
Re: other bridge pickup for Epi SG? help needed

I have a strong feeling i will like the C8 a lot!

My only fear is that it won't have enough brightness for me (I need some bite in my sound), but Blueman assured me that won't be the case :-)

anyway, I'll still have the alnico V magnet from my JB to change it to Custom5 if necessary. "IF" indeed!!

I changed from a C5 to a C8. You really loose that scooped sound which makes the chagga-chagged so clear. I solved it this way: i changed my vol pot to a push pull. I have the humbucker mod for leads and riffing, the parallel wiring (scooped again!) for rhythm. Works great.
 
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