Out of phase wiring.

[LukeGilmour]

suddenly i realized i love the out of phase sound... somewhat like freddie king in burglar.

how do i manage to do that in my lp? do i just turn one of the humbuckers upside down? is it better to turn the bridge or the neck?

any advice would be grateful

thanks!

 

[super rad stuff]

Re: Out of phase wiring.

personally i'd either intall a phase switch or flip the magnet, but flipping the pickup around(wouldn't reccomend upside down:laughing would work too.

 

[dr. ad]

Re: Out of phase wiring.

flipping the mag would be your best option IMO

 

[GoDrex]

Re: Out of phase wiring.

I find it easier to switch the green and black wires.

 

[super rad stuff]

Re: Out of phase wiring.

I find it easier to switch the green and black wires.

that's a good way too, but i don't like doing that because it reverses which coil you go to when split(if you do use a split)

 

[chase]

Re: Out of phase wiring.

:smack:

Why on earth would you go to all the trouble of flipping magnets when a simple switch will do the same thing AND allow you to turn it on and off?

Phase switch is the answer you're looking for. Push-pull will save you from drilling a hole.

 

[NevermindUs]

Re: Out of phase wiring.

i love that sound too. i flipped the wires so i get oop in the middle, since i never use the middle sound otherwise

 

[DrNewcenstein]

Re: Out of phase wiring.

that's a good way too, but i don't like doing that because it reverses which coil you go to when split(if you do use a split)

But then, wouldn't you also reverse the red and white for the split?

 

[Ashurbanipal]

Re: Out of phase wiring.

i love that sound too. i flipped the wires so i get oop in the middle, since i never use the middle sound otherwise

Yea, I did the same thing just recently for the same reason - never really cared for the both 'buckers on sound. Now it's more useful and interesting - overall sound has more clang: low notes have a strong vowel-like quality to them and the high notes scream, particularly above the 12th fret. In single coil mode it's quite skeletal sounding, very interesting effect.

 

[LukeGilmour]

Re: Out of phase wiring.

this is a little bit confusing, is there a diagram or something around please?

(i guess just flipping the mic is the easiest way isnt it?)

 

[dr. ad]

Re: Out of phase wiring.

if you're not confident doing the wiring, or don't have the tools, or don't want to either drill a new hole in your LP or sacrifice a tone pot - yep

that's why i suggested it, i know it's lo-fi but i figured if you wanted a wiring solution you'd have either looked it up yourself or asked about it ; ]

 

[DrNewcenstein]

Re: Out of phase wiring.

this is a little bit confusing, is there a diagram or something around please?

(i guess just flipping the mic is the easiest way isnt it?)

Physically rotating the pickups (so the screws on top aren't by the bridge or neck) is not going to change anything except how far away from the bridge or neck the active coil will be when the pickup is Split.

If you want the bridge and neck pickups to be out-of-phase with each other when the switch is in the center position, and your pickup has 4 conductors (red, white, green, and black), then swap the locations of the green and black wires for ONE pickup, not both.

That means that if the Green wire of the bridge pickup is soldered to Ground and the Black is connected to the tab on the volume pot, put the Black wire on the Ground connection and the Green wire on the tab of the pot.

 

[super rad stuff]

Re: Out of phase wiring.

But then, wouldn't you also reverse the red and white for the split?

the standard way(split to slug) would be red/white to split, black to hot and green to ground. reversing black and green reverses phase and split to screw coil. to split to slug and still be OOP, what would have to happen for that is to send the black/green to the split switch, red to ground, and white to hot. to reverse phase and split to the screw coil, reverse the red to hot and white to ground.

coil splitting(to clarify which coils/phase):
http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=coil_splitting
coil split w/OOP switches:
http://www.seymourduncan.com/suppor...tics.php?schematic=phase_switch_coil_split_hb
OOP switch:
http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=phase_switching_for_hb

 

[Zerberus]

Re: Out of phase wiring.

personally i'd either intall a phase switch

The standard solution, a push-pull or push-push pot makes this method the most non intrusive as well. Accomplishes the effect my changing the pickup´s electric phase relative to the other PU.

Wiring Diagram: http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=phase_switching_for_hb

or flip the magnet, but flipping the pickup around(wouldn't reccomend upside down:laughing would work too.

Another common solution when one is versed in PU construction and 100% sure that everythiong else about the electornics setup is perfect. This reverses the Pickups magnetic field which in turn reverses it´s electrical phase.

flipping the mag would be your best option IMO

This will chance the sound of the pickup slightly and that´s it, has nothing to do with the pickup´s electrical or magnetic phase which ios what we want to change.

I find it easier to switch the green and black wires.

this is the simplest solution when it doesn´t need to be switchable and there are no other wiring tricks going on such as series/parallel or coil splits.

 

[LukeGilmour]

Re: Out of phase wiring.

Physically rotating the pickups (so the screws on top aren't by the bridge or neck) is not going to change anything except how far away from the bridge or neck the active coil will be when the pickup is Split.

If you want the bridge and neck pickups to be out-of-phase with each other when the switch is in the center position, and your pickup has 4 conductors (red, white, green, and black), then swap the locations of the green and black wires for ONE pickup, not both.

That means that if the Green wire of the bridge pickup is soldered to Ground and the Black is connected to the tab on the volume pot, put the Black wire on the Ground connection and the Green wire on the tab of the pot.

thanks, that was clear!

thing is the pups are the stock ones on the guitar, and, guess what, 2 conductors.

what to do?

 

[DrNewcenstein]

Re: Out of phase wiring.

Should just be able to swap the hot and ground, unless the ground is the outer metal braid, in which case, I have no idea.

 

[Zerberus]

Re: Out of phase wiring.

Should just be able to swap the hot and ground, unless the ground is the outer metal braid, in which case, I have no idea.

If its Vintage wire with braid and hot, then just swap those 2 around.

If it´s 2 conductor + ground/shield, then swap the 2 conductors around

 

[LukeGilmour]

Re: Out of phase wiring.

If its Vintage wire with braid and hot, then just swap those 2 around.

If it´s 2 conductor + ground/shield, then swap the 2 conductors around

thanks a lot!

i swaped the braid and hot... works wonders, but theres not really much difference with the previous sound, am i missing something to get the "hollowness"? (besides a 335 guitar obviously!)

 

[snaredrum]

Re: Out of phase wiring.

thanks a lot!

i swaped the braid and hot... works wonders, but theres not really much difference with the previous sound, am i missing something to get the "hollowness"? (besides a 335 guitar obviously!)

hi, the Haynes les paul manual (like a car mechanic manual for the guitar) says the the best way to get the 'hollowness' is to flip the magnet (out of phase) reverse the pickup in it's surround (semi phase corrected) and then reverse the green and black wires to wire it out of phase again.

i'm doing it this week with my LP, i'll let you know how i get on...

first post by the way! yaaaaay

 

[ES350]

Re: Out of phase wiring.

BTW...Freddie was playing a 345/355 with a Varitone...