Out with the Floyd, in with the Kahler, Jackson Kelly content...

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haha, thats such a nicer floyd-to-kahler job than the previous owner of one of my guitars did. he just bolted a couple sheets of metal over part of the floyd routing and installed the kahler on top of that :laugh2:
 
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I almost did just that. There's a guy selling adapter plates made for just that, but I was going to have to shim the crap out of the neck, and the plate would have been HUGE. I like this solution a lot better!!!
 
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theyre not proper plates at all, just look like random scrap metal
 
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Hate to admit it, but I considered that, too. Glad I didn't :lmao:

Here's a shot of a pickguard mock-up I knocked out last nite.

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haha, thats such a nicer floyd-to-kahler job than the previous owner of one of my guitars did. he just bolted a couple sheets of metal over part of the floyd routing and installed the kahler on top of that :laugh2:

I´ll get into why that could have been a better Idea in a second ;)

Hate to admit it, but I considered that, too. Glad I didn't :lmao:

Here's a shot of a pickguard mock-up I knocked out last nite.

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Looks playable, but the most important question: Does it intonate properly?

To properly recess a Kahler 23xx series Trem (very popular at the end of the 90s when people were starting to go for increased sustain again) to a depth of 5/32", the entire bridge assembly needs to be moved forward 3/32". This is because as a Kahler PRO saddle moves up, it also moves BACK.

Not saying it won´t intonate, it may do so just fine, just wondering of you took that not unimportant detail into account. :beerchug:

As far as overall, I´m personally not a fan of the oversized rout, I feel it looks like a quickie job that would have taken 5 minutes more to do properly (i.e. to the shape of the baseplate), but that´s aesthetics and personal preference. The rest looks pretty good, though ;)
 
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It intonates just fine, and yes I did take that into consideration. I've had that Kahler for 20 years and have installed that and many others. I'm not ignorant when it comes to installing them.

As for the "Quickie job" comment, well duh. The "Oversize" part was the front edge of the Floyd route. That was left untouched, the back of the route is where I altered it.

Bottom line, it plays great and I like it.
 
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For the record, I wasn´t trying to bash the job or the guitar in any way, I´ve seen much worse. IMO it looks pretty cool overall, I personally always thought a kelly would look like crap with a pickguard but I stand corrected. The rout is just one of those things that catches my eye instantly every time and won´t let go ;)

It intonates just fine, and yes I did take that into consideration. I've had that Kahler for 20 years and have installed that and many others. I'm not ignorant when it comes to installing them.

I didn´t mean to imply ignorance, but it´s not often that you see someone recess a Kahler these days and even rarer to see it done properly, as most people completely overlook that small but crucial detail and think that what works for a Floyd works for a Kahler.

If nothing else, me providing the info will help the person that sees your project and says "wow, that´s what I want, too" do it right ;)

As for the "Quickie job" comment, well duh. The "Oversize" part was the front edge of the Floyd route. That was left untouched, the back of the route is where I altered it.

I saw the pics of the WIP, and again was not meaning to detract from your work. I personally just prefer to fill the sides in as well becasue it looks overall cleaner and, well, more "professional". But remember also that I see these things from the somewhat radical viewpoint of "anything that´s not done perfect is a horrible mistake because it´s so easy to do right the first time" ;)

Bottom line, it plays great and I like it.

Exactly :beerchug:
 
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Re: Out with the Floyd, in with the Kahler, Jackson Kelly content...

Nice job. I kinda like it without the pickguard. Rock that thing.
 
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For the record, I wasn´t trying to bash the job or the guitar in any way, I´ve seen much worse. IMO it looks pretty cool overall, I personally always thought a kelly would look like crap with a pickguard but I stand corrected. The rout is just one of those things that catches my eye instantly every time and won´t let go ;)



I didn´t mean to imply ignorance, but it´s not often that you see someone recess a Kahler these days and even rarer to see it done properly, as most people completely overlook that small but crucial detail and think that what works for a Floyd works for a Kahler.

If nothing else, me providing the info will help the person that sees your project and says "wow, that´s what I want, too" do it right ;)



I saw the pics of the WIP, and again was not meaning to detract from your work. I personally just prefer to fill the sides in as well becasue it looks overall cleaner and, well, more "professional". But remember also that I see these things from the somewhat radical viewpoint of "anything that´s not done perfect is a horrible mistake because it´s so easy to do right the first time" ;)



Exactly :beerchug:

I gotcha, Zerb, I didn't take it that way at all :beerchug:

I didn't have time to post this morning, and I was in a total rush when I posted that, so I came across a little harsh without meaning to.

For the record, i didn't install it properly, so I got REALLY lucky that the intonation was good :lmao: Well, sort of. One of the great things about this was the Floyd route gave me a lot of room for error, not something I'm used to with a standard Kahler route, as you well know.

Besides, if it didn't work, there was always the "Wammi World" adapter plate to fall back on:cool2: I REALLY didn't like it, tho, so that would have been last resort stuff there.

Truth be told, the high "E" is almost out of forward adjustment room, so you are right, it wouldn't have hurt to move the whole bridge forward, but it's good as it is. It intonates from C# up to A440 just fine, so I'm good to go:beerchug:

As for the floyd route, yeah I hear you, and I originally had the intent of filling it in as you describe. For some reason, while I was test-fitting the Kahler and the little cover I made, I just really liked the way it all fit together, so I intentionally decided not to fill it in. I really liked the "Function before Form" look of it. I'm kind of opposite of you, I like those kinds of flaws that draw your eye, so that's why I did that. Sort of a celebration of the whole "What the heck, let's see if it works" theme of the whole thing.

The whole project was very organic like that, I originally was going to ditch the Floyd in favor of a Fender Strat 6-saddle bridge. That gave way to buying the adapter plate and mounting the Kahler. While test-fitting the Kahler to see how much neck shimming would be required, I hit on the recess idea. And so on and so on.

In truth the only reason I even considered this is because it's a parts guitar, and I would have NEVER done any of this on a customer's guitar. If I did it would be filled and finished properly. Since it's mine, tho, I figure why not turn it into a little piece of personal folk-art? Besides, I love driving perfectionists crazy:naughty::nana::D::lmao: I'm a stinker:naughty:

Oh, yeah, and the pickguard surprised the heck out of me, I didn't expect that to come out good at all.
 
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By the way, I should clarify for those that may have noticed, the Kahler in question is actually the working parts of an old 2200 I bought back in '88, but the baseplate is a newer manufacture aluminum 2300 I bought from the Wammi World guy as a blem. I didn't want to use the stud-mount 2200 and it was cheaper than buying a whole new 2300. Older 2200 baseplates don't have the sloping sides like this one does. I like them tho, very comfy!!
 
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.... I personally always thought a kelly would look like crap with a pickguard but I stand corrected.
I forgot to mention, I agree with you on this, I didn't expect it to come out as good as it did. Personally, I think this may be one of the only Kelly's in the world this would work on, simply because of the completely relocated control cavity. If I had left the volume control in it's original location near the bridge pickup, I don't think I could have worked out a pleasing pick guard shape. The more Explorer-esque control layout really helps the pick guard work aesthetically, IMO.

I've been playing this thing and getting the pickups adjusted right where I want them for a couple of weeks now, I can't get over how pleased I have been with it! I took it over and used it to jam with some friends, it really stood out in the mix in a good way. Tone is nice and tight, cutting without being shrill. Contrasted beautifully with my buddies vintage Hagstrom Swede, which has a lovely warm and mellow tone.

I think I will make one modification in the near future and replace one of the pots with a push-pull to split the WB bridge pickup. Other than that and getting the good pick guard made, I think she's right where I want her at! She's a lot more comfortable to play than my Lester's for long periods of time, thgat's for sure. Not that I'll be selling those at any time!!!
 
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Well, I've had this guitar for over a year now, and it's become the one I reach for most often. Still love my Gibby's, and the old Deluxe is still my baby, but this one still has some intangible quality none of my others have.

Only change is the bridge pickup, the WB has been permanently replaced with an '80's DDJ labeled Duncan Distortion . The WB was a good pickup, but frankly the old Duncan kicks it's ass sideways. Thinking about maybe selling the WB.

Got the pickup for a song on ebay, it was listed as a dead pickup, but it just needed new leads, so score on that one!! It's my third Distortion, and my second DDJ Distortion, the other one came stock in my old '84 Rhoads. Far as I'm concerned, the Distortion is THE high output pickup, period. Not everyone's cup of tea, but it's the one that's works best for me.

I STILL haven't gotten around to making that damned pickguard yet :lol:

I'm actually considering a real refin on it, not just rattle-can primer. Kinda wondering what a tobacco sunburst would look like, but I still really love the dark grey, too. Maybe I'll just do a proper finish in the same color gray.
 
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Tobacco burst would just be kickass, that'd be my vote.
 
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Just for giggles, do the pickguard thusly:

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ummm - pic fix please...
 
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o..m..g....I just had an anyureism.

I don't like Kahlers. I actually hate Kahlers. Floyds are much more of a players trem.
 
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