Overlooked tip for tone on foating Tems!!!

Re: Overlooked tip for tone on foating Tems!!!

OK , you guys are gonna think im trying to be a smart ass now but,

VAi and Satriani are NOT KNOWN FOR THEIR TONE BUT EDDIE IS. is this right??


like i said if you want to pull up on the bar go for it. my point is that it steals tone and ALOT of it.
 
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I think Vai and Satch are known for their tone, at least I really like their tone on much of their material. Again, that's just my opinion :).
 
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Dude, sorry but there must be a million references for the EVH tone on guitar forums everywhere and a thousand ones for SAtch and Vai. you know what i am getting at?
 
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Yeah, but you're still picking on subjective things. I've talked to people that can't stand EVH's tone, nothing like that is globally accepted.
 
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just because the masses like it doesn't mean it's right...

i'm an individual i couldn't care less what millions of people think if i don't agree

edit- damn it fretfire you beat me to it...
 
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Sorry, Tone? -- I don't mean to be argumentative, but your theory holds little weight with me.

Hmmm ... Vai's sound has changed over the years, no doubt about it. But when he plays, you know it's him. Why? Because most of your tone comes from your fingers.

I agree, Tone?, it's subjective in the extreme. You're overlooking an important trem technique tho: When you slap the bar, or bring it down partially and let it go back on it's own, you get a different sound as the trem bounces in both directions past the zero point.

For people who spell "tone" with a Capital T, Floyds are verboten ... I like the sound of the Floyd, I like the functionality of the Floyd, and I think that "tone" is a far second to functionality. :D
 
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Chi3f said:
just because the masses like it doesn't mean it's right...

i'm an individual i couldn't care less what millions of people think if i don't agree

edit- damn it fretfire you beat me to it...
Click to expand...


Sorry man :). Actually, it looks like we tied haha :laugh2:
 
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I can agree to a certain point, I do agree with what you stated. However, I KNOW for a FACT that it's not as drastic as you state it is. Living proof? Well, obviously you haven't owned too many Satch or Vai records - or seen them live for that matter.

Sustain for days and thick smooth tones.
 
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Ibanez Edge's have crappy sustain as it is. Get an OFR.
 
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why not just draw the claw in a little? Sets the floyd down in the guitar a little better, and when you bend a note it dont sharpen the other strings. + It did improve sound, and retained functionality, and it fits better in my case lol.
 
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I'd rather be able to bend up then have (what you consider) better tone, in fact i probably bend up more than down, but i can definately see how this would help IF you didnt want to use the floyd to its full capabilities.
 
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I kinda started out on Floyds, being an 80's kid, but over time, and after having quite a few guitars, I kinda gravitated toward where many do....Pauls and Strats.
On strats, the trems suck, so I just tighten them down to the wood, and I agree..they do sound better that way. However, the whole point of a Floyd is it's ability to stay in tune whether you push down or yank up on it. I like them floating, and make up for any tonal difference by putting a meatier sounding pickup in it.
I do see your point though, and would suggest a better way of anchoring your Floyd.
Instead of adding little blocks of wood behind the pivot bolts, use one block of hardwood in the back cavity of the guitar, between the cavity wall and steel trem block. Either screw it in, carefully, or use a few drops of wood glue to glue it in.
 
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That's exactly what I do, I have a piece of Alder glued in the trem cavity as gearjonser said, and yes it does sound better to me. I love to do the Brad Gillis thing with the Floyd and all the other tricks,BUT when you can really only afford to have no more than 2 guitars, it is way more practical to have a guitar that will stay in tune if you break a string.

Plus I don't feel that you are wasting anything or not using a Floyd to it's full capabilities just cause yu don't use it to pull up on the bar! A Floyd was designed to stay in tune period, no matter what you do with it, so if it stays in tune, I guess it's doing it's job whether you pull up on it or not.
 
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I don't like floating trems... Not purely because of the tonal loss etc, because I never use one!

Hardtails all the way baby ;)
 
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Well floating Floyds are far from equal...I usually keep them dive only, but recently I have
let my Kramer loose....I am building up my floating tremchops again...bugger it is all your fault TW;)
Well the toneloss...........tada.... was nonpresent, why??
I use the studs that screw directly into the body and it is an OFR, they sound nothing like an Ibanez edge!
The guitar is still fat, did not loose any bottom, and I am lucky..it does not flutter like some does....so now I am going Beck amuck on it:D
The only other I have heard with a similar sound is the Gotoh Floyd.
 
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heh....
all hail EVH! he has a flush floyd! blocked even!

who the **** gives a **** anyway?

fly the floyd how ever you want to. you probably have experience only with one guitar with a crappy edge trem.. probably the powdered one too.
if you block it you only have half the functionality of it. being able to pull it up two steps and do the flutters is the beauty of it.

you ever tried adding a spring or two to make it less spongy? probably not.



bah.. i'm not even going to go further.
 
Re: Overlooked tip for tone on foating Tems!!!

Hi Tone, to me this sounds like a great I dea, I never use my trem for pullups, only the odd bit of vibrato, could you maybe supply a detailed account on how you did the work, and, what type wood did you use.

Jon
 
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