Vasshu the humanoid typhoon
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Re: Overlooked tip for tone on foating Tems!!!
Yeah I am looking forward to that TWO
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Overlooked tip for tone on foating Tems!!!
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brassgiblets
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Re: Overlooked tip for tone on foating Tems!!!
Most of my guitars have blocked Floyds as I'm pretty heavy handed when it comes to palm muting so it's more about keeping the chunky riffs in tune than lead tone. When I bought my 1st guitars, it seemed all that was available in the mid price heavy metal range had Floyd type bridges. They also usually have a flatter radius than most fixed bridges and I prefer to use the fine tuners. Some are totally blocked and some allow me to divebomb but that's hardly reducing the instrument to 50% of it's full use. If I want to get fancy I can just revert it back to full floating easily... much better than putting it up for sale and finding a thin neck , flat radius shred fixed bridge one just to record some tracks
(though I'm still looking LOL) Then I bought a couple CHEAP from ex-shredders who were eager to shift to Strats and Wilkinsons and now MY next guitar is going to be a Strat! :laugh2: I'll keep the bridge sunk though.
Most of my guitars have blocked Floyds as I'm pretty heavy handed when it comes to palm muting so it's more about keeping the chunky riffs in tune than lead tone. When I bought my 1st guitars, it seemed all that was available in the mid price heavy metal range had Floyd type bridges. They also usually have a flatter radius than most fixed bridges and I prefer to use the fine tuners. Some are totally blocked and some allow me to divebomb but that's hardly reducing the instrument to 50% of it's full use. If I want to get fancy I can just revert it back to full floating easily... much better than putting it up for sale and finding a thin neck , flat radius shred fixed bridge one just to record some tracks
(though I'm still looking LOL) Then I bought a couple CHEAP from ex-shredders who were eager to shift to Strats and Wilkinsons and now MY next guitar is going to be a Strat! :laugh2: I'll keep the bridge sunk though.
tone?
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Re: Overlooked tip for tone on foating Tems!!!
hey i will try and supply a Photo of the guitar for all that wanted to see what i mean. basically it is putting two thin peices of wood behind the pivots ( thin enough for the trem to be quite parallel to the neck and not to effect your action) . So the trem rests on these blocks instead of directly to the body.
To 'Davey" and others....look guys i am 35 years old have been playing guitar for 20 years. i have tried many other guitars and yes i have as a rule 4 springs on the Floyd. i am not saying all this to be a smart-ass i just want to say that i am no beginner and dont know what is up.
i NEVER said that Satch and Vai arent good or whatever. they just aint known for their 'ground breaking' tone ya know?
it is not a wonder that Van Halen constructed the 'Brown Sound' and people to this day talk about it a whack their heads against the wall to try and get it.
it doesnt mean that just cause Halen did this that everybody else is null.
Vintage tone freaks and many other master luthiers ( Wayne Charvel, Callaham etc..) agree that even if you have a floating trem it is better to mount it on the guitar for the guitar to sound better.
'Davey' i do agreee with you that an Original Floyd does soound better than a Ibanez but i still think that an OFR sounds better mounted than floating.
if you want to pull up on the bar than what can i say??? The thread wasnt titled " dont pull up on the bar!"
The attack that you have from the string tension is effected big time from mounting the trem on the body.
this for now.
hey i will try and supply a Photo of the guitar for all that wanted to see what i mean. basically it is putting two thin peices of wood behind the pivots ( thin enough for the trem to be quite parallel to the neck and not to effect your action) . So the trem rests on these blocks instead of directly to the body.
To 'Davey" and others....look guys i am 35 years old have been playing guitar for 20 years. i have tried many other guitars and yes i have as a rule 4 springs on the Floyd. i am not saying all this to be a smart-ass i just want to say that i am no beginner and dont know what is up.
i NEVER said that Satch and Vai arent good or whatever. they just aint known for their 'ground breaking' tone ya know?
it is not a wonder that Van Halen constructed the 'Brown Sound' and people to this day talk about it a whack their heads against the wall to try and get it.
it doesnt mean that just cause Halen did this that everybody else is null.
Vintage tone freaks and many other master luthiers ( Wayne Charvel, Callaham etc..) agree that even if you have a floating trem it is better to mount it on the guitar for the guitar to sound better.
'Davey' i do agreee with you that an Original Floyd does soound better than a Ibanez but i still think that an OFR sounds better mounted than floating.
if you want to pull up on the bar than what can i say??? The thread wasnt titled " dont pull up on the bar!"
The attack that you have from the string tension is effected big time from mounting the trem on the body.
this for now.
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tone?
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Re: Overlooked tip for tone on foating Tems!!!
yeah , i just wanted to say that when you mount the trem the string tension is effected cause the strings dont have any 'slack' . this effects the attack.
i wanted to make a comparison by saying that luthiers also mention that string tension ( such as that which is effected by the scale of necks) effects the attack of the guitar.
yeah , i just wanted to say that when you mount the trem the string tension is effected cause the strings dont have any 'slack' . this effects the attack.
i wanted to make a comparison by saying that luthiers also mention that string tension ( such as that which is effected by the scale of necks) effects the attack of the guitar.
tone?
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Re: Overlooked tip for tone on foating Tems!!!
when you have a foating bridge take a look when you bend a note on your guitar at the trem. you will see that it is slightly bent forward towards the neck. this is becuase you are pulling the trem towards you cause you are exerting tension on the string.
when you pick a note on a foating bride the string also has more slack cause there is nothing to prevent the string from loosing tension.
get it?
when you have a foating bridge take a look when you bend a note on your guitar at the trem. you will see that it is slightly bent forward towards the neck. this is becuase you are pulling the trem towards you cause you are exerting tension on the string.
when you pick a note on a foating bride the string also has more slack cause there is nothing to prevent the string from loosing tension.
get it?
tone?
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Re: Overlooked tip for tone on foating Tems!!!
ok this is getting funny.
my strat trem as well as my others has 4 springs to it. so it doesnt go anywhere when i bend.
whereas if your trem is floating it will still move when the strings and fretted or picked, but not as much as if you hade less springs. do ya get it now?
how do you think that i am setting my trem up wrong then Benjy_26?
ok this is getting funny.
my strat trem as well as my others has 4 springs to it. so it doesnt go anywhere when i bend.
whereas if your trem is floating it will still move when the strings and fretted or picked, but not as much as if you hade less springs. do ya get it now?
how do you think that i am setting my trem up wrong then Benjy_26?
Benjy_26
25's Nemesis
Re: Overlooked tip for tone on foating Tems!!!
If your strings move when you fret, your action is too high.
If your strings don't move anywhere when you bend on a strat, you just described a fully blocked trem, or a hardtail, again, not a trem set up properly for its intended use.
If your strings move when you fret, your action is too high.
If your strings don't move anywhere when you bend on a strat, you just described a fully blocked trem, or a hardtail, again, not a trem set up properly for its intended use.
Re: Overlooked tip for tone on foating Tems!!!
trems drive me nuts. I have my strat locked down tight. I have a Bigsby that is a constant problem child, but it's getting better. I love that 535, but the Bigsby makes it a guitar I could never play live (which I don't do these days at all anyway!)
trems drive me nuts. I have my strat locked down tight. I have a Bigsby that is a constant problem child, but it's getting better. I love that 535, but the Bigsby makes it a guitar I could never play live (which I don't do these days at all anyway!)
DirrtyCraig
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Re: Overlooked tip for tone on foating Tems!!!
Just an observation.. but in all my years of reading mags and playing guitar I've never ever, ever heard a reference to good tone in the same sentence as Satriani or Vai. Both are amazing players, but both use too many effects, and other bullsh*t which takes away from their tone.
For proof of this, check out Vai's Carvin Legacy or Satriani's new Peavey JS, for 2 of the worst sounding amps I've ever had the displeasure to play through.
Just an observation.. but in all my years of reading mags and playing guitar I've never ever, ever heard a reference to good tone in the same sentence as Satriani or Vai. Both are amazing players, but both use too many effects, and other bullsh*t which takes away from their tone.
For proof of this, check out Vai's Carvin Legacy or Satriani's new Peavey JS, for 2 of the worst sounding amps I've ever had the displeasure to play through.
Davey
Goliath of Tone
Re: Overlooked tip for tone on foating Tems!!!
so.. what hapens when i float my trem is that i lose massive amounts of tone... not true if you got a good guitar. there is a loss in tone and perhaps in sustain, but sustain is a god given thing.. a floated floyd soloist can outsustain a LP with ease (god willing)
i seriously dont give a crap if eddie is floating or not and never was big into his brown sound, sure, it sounds nice but is nothing special...
so, with your advice and a good axe, i should block the trem regardless, to get THAT AWESOME sustaining tone out of it, when it sounds very good as is with the floating trem.. BUT, i block it, what happens when i want to pul up on the bar? huh.. got an answer for that? you just killed half of it's usefullness while playing (not counting the locking the strings fact). if you ask me it's better to leave it and live with the tone as it is and retain the full functionality of a floyd than get a 10% better tone and not be able to use it fully.
and as zerb said, good tone is diferent from person to person.. what you like is nothing special for me and vice versa.
if you dont like and not use a floyd, dont get a guitar with one in the 1st place
so.. what hapens when i float my trem is that i lose massive amounts of tone... not true if you got a good guitar. there is a loss in tone and perhaps in sustain, but sustain is a god given thing.. a floated floyd soloist can outsustain a LP with ease (god willing)
i seriously dont give a crap if eddie is floating or not and never was big into his brown sound, sure, it sounds nice but is nothing special...
so, with your advice and a good axe, i should block the trem regardless, to get THAT AWESOME sustaining tone out of it, when it sounds very good as is with the floating trem.. BUT, i block it, what happens when i want to pul up on the bar? huh.. got an answer for that? you just killed half of it's usefullness while playing (not counting the locking the strings fact). if you ask me it's better to leave it and live with the tone as it is and retain the full functionality of a floyd than get a 10% better tone and not be able to use it fully.
and as zerb said, good tone is diferent from person to person.. what you like is nothing special for me and vice versa.
if you dont like and not use a floyd, dont get a guitar with one in the 1st place
DirrtyCraig
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Re: Overlooked tip for tone on foating Tems!!!
With all due respect to Davey, I wanted to point out that the guy that doesn't think EVH's brown sound is 'anything special' is playing through a Crate amp and Ibanez Smashbox,,, 2 key ingredients to great tone.... LMAO!
With all due respect to Davey, I wanted to point out that the guy that doesn't think EVH's brown sound is 'anything special' is playing through a Crate amp and Ibanez Smashbox,,, 2 key ingredients to great tone.... LMAO!
Davey
Goliath of Tone
Re: Overlooked tip for tone on foating Tems!!!
congratulations, you won a wet fart .|..>.<..|.
you can quote me if you want to:
I play a crate and i think brown sound sucks.
there. happy?
moron
i never said i achieve a great tone through my crate.. i think i played it last month the last time i'm sick and tired of it. and no.. i do not think it's anything special. it just is, whatever floats your boatDirrtyCraig said:
congratulations, you won a wet fart .|..>.<..|.
you can quote me if you want to:
I play a crate and i think brown sound sucks.
there. happy?
moron
DirrtyCraig
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Re: Overlooked tip for tone on foating Tems!!!
no harm meant, thats why I started with 'all due respect'.
no harm meant, thats why I started with 'all due respect'.
TwilightOdyssey
Darkness on the edge of Tone
Re: Overlooked tip for tone on foating Tems!!!
Oh, no, we have a politician in our midst!!
:smack:
(in other words, you can say whatever you want after you say 'with all due respect', but most times we mean 'with no respect whatsoever')
with all due respect ...DirrtyCraig said:
Oh, no, we have a politician in our midst!!
:smack:(in other words, you can say whatever you want after you say 'with all due respect', but most times we mean 'with no respect whatsoever')
