PAF Pro Users

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This comes down to your definition of what modern means. I totally consider it modern sounding but obviously it's all relative.

Modern for me is the highly processed/refined sound one can get from pickup such as a Dimarzio Transition or EMG. It's not as organic as a Super Distortion or any Seymour Duncan pickup I have played that sound ''real'' to my ears. Natural you may also say. Modern sound has is utility for certain types of music and tracking needs, but what we now as vintage sounding definitely has a different (more natural vibe), and I do not believe it's output related.

I had a PAF Pro once in a guitar with a super d in the bridge. Was the only time I ever used one and it seemed extremely weak to me compared to the Super D. Was a LONG time ago, so I may not have had something wired or set right. But it scared me away from trying one again.

It isn't the first time I read that. I believe Dimarzio has never really created a right pickup for the neck position of a Dimarzio Super Distortion (bridge) installed guitar. We may read about getting a ''PAF'' (PRO, Original DP103, 36th DP103, Master, etc. ) the Super 2, another Super Distortion, the Air Norton... The list goes on and on. I believe they still have that gap in their lineup.
PS. Is it me or all neck position Dimarzio sound like bridge pickups?
 
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I'm a PAF Pro fan. Really nice pickup for what I like. It's not too hot and not too weak and has good cut. I never found it to be too weak in the neck with the SuperD in the bridge. That setup worked really well for me. But, IMO/IME, a really cool neck pickup for the SuperD is another SuperD wired in parallel. Trust me.
 
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I went for eons (35+ years) not liking Dimarzio pickups in any iteration or configuration. In the interest of honest objectivity I have recently revisited their line of pickups. It hasn't taken me long to again realize that, generally speaking, I do not like Dimarzio pickups. Two noteable exceptions are the 36th bridge and the PAF Pro.

I was having trouble getting a bridge pickup to match a pair of Duncan Alnico Pro 2 in an HSS guitar. Definitely the best humbucker mate with those SCs in that guitar. I had tried a Custom Custom (too dark and powerful), the bridge 36th (too plain vanilla), a Dimarzio C3, and none balanced as well as the PAF Pro.

That said, that setup is getting yanked over CHRISTmas and being replaced with a 59/Custom and a pair of SSL-2s in hopes that will be the combo I've been seeking.

The PAF Pro is great in the bridge at any rate, but the Dimarzio line in general doesn't do much for me.
 
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While not being a faithfull user of dimarzio over the years, (and while not being a paf pro) I am quite liking the 36th bridge in my lp special..its almost like a better 59b to my ears, as it has what the 59b is missing= MIDS!
 
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The 36th I have not tried yet. I love the old DP103 PAF before it was re-designed several years back. That one is also a great match for the SuperD.

My favorite set from DiMarzio as of late has been the Air Classics. For a vintage output pickup, it's a crazy good set for everything from blues to scorching distorted rock.
 
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Modern for me is the highly processed/refined sound one can get from pickup such as a Dimarzio Transition or EMG. It's not as organic as a Super Distortion or any Seymour Duncan pickup I have played that sound ''real'' to my ears. Natural you may also say. Modern sound has is utility for certain types of music and tracking needs, but what we now as vintage sounding definitely has a different (more natural vibe), and I do not believe it's output related.



It isn't the first time I read that. I believe Dimarzio has never really created a right pickup for the neck position of a Dimarzio Super Distortion (bridge) installed guitar. We may read about getting a ''PAF'' (PRO, Original DP103, 36th DP103, Master, etc. ) the Super 2, another Super Distortion, the Air Norton... The list goes on and on. I believe they still have that gap in their lineup.
PS. Is it me or all neck position Dimarzio sound like bridge pickups?

That last sentence really hit home for me. I would just say that many of them have attributes that usually you would see in a bridge Pup
 
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I don't know what DiMarzio was thinking when they combined the PAF, Virtual PAF, and the Virtual Hot PAF all into the 36th Anniversary pickup.

The PAF and the VHPAF are two of my favorite DiMarzios.
 
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I don't know what DiMarzio was thinking when they combined the PAF, Virtual PAF, and the Virtual Hot PAF all into the 36th Anniversary pickup.

The PAF and the VHPAF are two of my favorite DiMarzios.

Yeah, not sure about those earlier PAFs but the 36th is really good, just not great. I'd have no issues using it, but there are pickups that do that sound better IMO.
 
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What is even more bizarre to me is the 36th is supposed to a "copy" of the pickups in Larry's '59 Les Paul. I don't hear vintage PAF when I use a 36th.

The latest "PAF 59" is actually pretty good though.
 
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PS. Is it me or all neck position Dimarzio sound like bridge pickups?
I disagree. The PAF 36th Anniversary in the neck sounds smoother, fatter, and more throaty without being muddy compared to the plinky, squelchy, scooped Duncan '59 and Jazz. More like a neck pickup should IMHO in a vintage output set. I really liked how the Duncan '59 Bridge/DiMarzio PAF 36th Neck was balanced when switching positions, while each pickup still had its own identity. But nowadays, I'm kind of over vintage output pickups, TBH.
 
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I'm a PAF Pro fan. Really nice pickup for what I like. It's not too hot and not too weak and has good cut. I never found it to be too weak in the neck with the SuperD in the bridge. That setup worked really well for me. But, IMO/IME, a really cool neck pickup for the SuperD is another SuperD wired in parallel. Trust me.

That's good to know! Still, I prefer to have a ''cleaner'', different, and companion neck pickup to the bridge. I imagine having two Super Distortion in the same guitar would be too ''hard rocking'' (not for a versatile sounding guitar). I may be wrong! The Super Distortion actually cleans up pretty nicely.

I went for eons (35+ years) not liking Dimarzio pickups in any iteration or configuration. In the interest of honest objectivity I have recently revisited their line of pickups. It hasn't taken me long to again realize that, generally speaking, I do not like Dimarzio pickups. Two noteable exceptions are the 36th bridge and the PAF Pro.

I was having trouble getting a bridge pickup to match a pair of Duncan Alnico Pro 2 in an HSS guitar. Definitely the best humbucker mate with those SCs in that guitar. I had tried a Custom Custom (too dark and powerful), the bridge 36th (too plain vanilla), a Dimarzio C3, and none balanced as well as the PAF Pro.

That said, that setup is getting yanked over CHRISTmas and being replaced with a 59/Custom and a pair of SSL-2s in hopes that will be the combo I've been seeking.

The PAF Pro is great in the bridge at any rate, but the Dimarzio line in general doesn't do much for me.

At least you have had luck with them, I have only liked the Dimarzio Super Distortion and the acquired taste of the PAF Master neck pickup, but have read that the Super Distortion + PAF Pro in neck is a classic. I believe you will definitely be on the right track on Seymour's camp.

That last sentence really hit home for me. I would just say that many of them have attributes that usually you would see in a bridge Pup

Glad to know I'm not alone on this. I somehow hear the Super Distortion in every Dimarzio pickup I have had installed in my guitars (three until the moment). Seems like a preset setting. Not that it's ''bad'', but when a pickup maker/manufacturer like Seymour Duncan says ''a neck pickup'', it actually sounds, and responds like one!

While not being a faithfull user of dimarzio over the years, (and while not being a paf pro) I am quite liking the 36th bridge in my lp special..its almost like a better 59b to my ears, as it has what the 59b is missing= MIDS!

The 36th I have not tried yet. I love the old DP103 PAF before it was re-designed several years back. That one is also a great match for the SuperD.

My favorite set from DiMarzio as of late has been the Air Classics. For a vintage output pickup, it's a crazy good set for everything from blues to scorching distorted rock.


I don't know what DiMarzio was thinking when they combined the PAF, Virtual PAF, and the Virtual Hot PAF all into the 36th Anniversary pickup.

The PAF and the VHPAF are two of my favorite DiMarzios.

Yeah, not sure about those earlier PAFs but the 36th is really good, just not great. I'd have no issues using it, but there are pickups that do that sound better IMO.

What is even more bizarre to me is the 36th is supposed to a "copy" of the pickups in Larry's '59 Les Paul. I don't hear vintage PAF when I use a 36th.

The latest "PAF 59" is actually pretty good though.

I disagree. The PAF 36th Anniversary in the neck sounds smoother, fatter, and more throaty without being muddy compared to the plinky, squelchy, scooped Duncan '59 and Jazz. More like a neck pickup should IMHO in a vintage output set. I really liked how the Duncan '59 Bridge/DiMarzio PAF 36th Neck was balanced when switching positions, while each pickup still had its own identity. But nowadays, I'm kind of over vintage output pickups, TBH.

I have read that the PAF36th is like Dimarzio's answer to the Seymour Duncan 59' (and kind of similar to the WLH Pickups).
I'm a big fan of the Seymour Duncan 59' neck pickup, and it's good to know the 36th neck is similar to it.
My ''winning'' combination is the Duncan Custom + 59n' combination in my DBZ Bolero. That guitar ROCKS!
I thought a Dimarzio Super Distortion + PAF36th combination would be Dimarzio's take on that Seymour's pickups combination.

For what I'm sure (due to my limited three pickups Dimarzio experience) is that once I get the ''right'' neck pickup for my Gibson Flying V (now with a Super Distortion bridge/PAF Master neck combination), I don't think I'll be back to the DMZ camp. I never had a bad SD experience and only had to replace them to better match the tone I wanted or needed out of the instrument with other SD Pickups.
 
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Not having read anything else here...

The PAF Pro is vintage in hotness, IMO.
It is not PAF sounding (like a 59/PAF - not that sound)
Awww sound is some kind of mid hump. Like "cocked wah" but wah more subtle.
I notice it most pronounced on a clean setting.
It is a pickup I dig in the bridge with singles new/mid or in the neck.
 
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What does he mean at 5:45?

I've heard it has a vocal-like quality, but can they really be called PAFs?

Many years ago I was in the market for one but ended up getting a Duncan 59. However, when I told the salesman I was interested in the PAF Pro they said I might actually like a Norton better.

I have been a Dimarzio PAF Pro user for almost 30 plus years in a Alder strat Bridge position. When playing single note lines in a band context,solo notes sound like having a WAH PEDAL ON, that is half cocked. it shows up more of that vocal like quality in Marshall DSL/TSL with greenbacks and a lot less on Mesa Boogie amps. Ive gigged with both Marshall amps and Boggies with Alder body strat with Dimarzio PAF pro its all a personal taste..
 
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That's good to know! Still, I prefer to have a ''cleaner'', different, and companion neck pickup to the bridge. I imagine having two Super Distortion in the same guitar would be too ''hard rocking'' (not for a versatile sounding guitar). I may be wrong! The Super Distortion actually cleans up pretty nicely.

In parallel, the Super Distortion is a lot cleaner and it little brighter. Bass is a little less too. That's simply the nature of parallel wiring but the beautiful thing about the Super Distortion is it's very usable in parallel. Sure, there's an output difference between parallel and series but with the 2 in the same guitar, it really adds some diversity to it without getting all fancy. Over the weekend I rewired the neck SuperD in my Dean ML Chicago Series to be in parellel. It sounds so much better now to me.
 
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I have been a Dimarzio PAF Pro user for almost 30 plus years in a Alder strat Bridge position. When playing single note lines in a band context,solo notes sound like having a WAH PEDAL ON, that is half cocked. it shows up more of that vocal like quality in Marshall DSL/TSL with greenbacks and a lot less on Mesa Boogie amps. Ive gigged with both Marshall amps and Boggies with Alder body strat with Dimarzio PAF pro its all a personal taste..

The guy here uses a PAF PRO in the neck position of his Les Paul with an Illuminator in the bridge. The demo is long and messy at times, but can provide an insight on the PAF Pro is. I believe I'm going to give it a try in the future. As the I constantly read on the web, I truly believe it could keep up with a Super Distortion. PAF Pro has enough bass, power, and a kinda vintage (but not so vintage) vibe. I only hope it doesn't sound EMG-Modern/Generic like. I dislike that tone!
 
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It doesn't sound EMG-like at all. It may not be as PAF-like as the name seems to suggest, but, like I said before, I find it has a lot more in common with, say a '59, than to anything in the modern camp (EMG 81, Duncan Black Winter, etc.).
 
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