Parallel for clean instead of series

[guitarSQUIRELL]

Re: Parallel for clean instead of series

Bridge & neck PU's are linked in parallel in the middle toggle position. There's diagrams for push-pull phase.

So i can make the phase switch with a push pull when in the middle position? This guitar idea is for a HH setup with a 3 way switch.

 

[AlexR]

Re: Parallel for clean instead of series

You would probably be better with singlecoil/split or parallel for both pickups and use the middle posi. OOP does odd things, generally sounding bad for many pickup combos in my experience.

 

[blueman335]

Re: Parallel for clean instead of series

So i can make the phase switch with a push pull when in the middle position? This guitar idea is for a HH setup with a 3 way switch.

I don't know what your wiring/soldering experience is, but the 4 push-pull Jimmy Page system does phase, coil cut for each PU, and links them in series. That gives you more phase options, and some other good stuff.

 

[Will S-T]

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I don't know what your wiring/soldering experience is, but the 4 push-pull Jimmy Page system does phase, coil cut for each PU, and links them in series. That gives you more phase options, and some othe rgood stuff.

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[Gaspasser69]

Re: Parallel for clean instead of series

David Lamkins - Guitarist - All about pickups and impedance
psg.com/~dlamkins/lamkins-guitar/.../all-about-pickups-and-impedance


My understanding is that you lose higher frequency and some of the finer details in a wave form with a higher impedance and corrosponding inductance. More coils higher inductance, more impedance (resistance to change in flow) less detailed wave form. And longer length of wire between the input and out put (hot /ground) You get a highs cut, compressed sound thats louder.

http://www.haloguitars.com/store/blog/guitar-wiring-series-vs-parallel-explained/

http://www.guitarnuts.com/wiring/serpar.php

 

[Will S-T]

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In your first post you mention parallel out of phase opposed to series in phase,
these are the two extremes of output capabilities. If you are talking about two
pickups then the Jimmy Page wiring will give all of that.

However if you want those options for each dual coil pickup then you will need
the triple shots and an extra switch for phase control for each pickup. You could
the coil splt function from the Jimmy Page wiring as that function is now done by the triple shots.

A dual coil pickup in parallel and out of phase is the lowest output option.
It sounds like crap, a bit like playing down a ****ty telephone line

 

[Gaspasser69]

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Where can I find a wiring diagram for parallel out of phase if there is such a thing? I love that kind of acoustic sound, and I could use that sound during worship services on some songs

Would need to know what you are working with. Guitar and pickups and also what is in it now. Maybe a mini toggle if you like drilling holes. Or a push pull for easier mods if not the triple shot. Many options

Parallel out of phase is taking the start of one and the finish of the second coil and making them hot and the other ends ground on a 4 wire humbucker. If you doing it to a pair of single coils, make sure you know if they are clock wise and counterclockwise and put them in phase opposition.

One goes up down up and the other goes down up down. Ac current Out of phase. It depends on winding direction. Check manufacturers for coil info and use your ears when aligator cliping the little wire ends for a sound that you like depending on the pickup since there are many variables like wire size or metalurgy and type of insulation as that effects some capacitance between wires. and on the more noticible side magnet size and type coupled with amount of wraps of wire.

 

[AlexR]

Re: Parallel for clean instead of series

David Lamkins - Guitarist - All about pickups and impedance
psg.com/~dlamkins/lamkins-guitar/.../all-about-pickups-and-impedance


My understanding is that you lose higher frequency and some of the finer details in a wave form with a higher impedance and corrosponding inductance. More coils higher inductance, more impedance (resistance to change in flow) less detailed wave form. And longer length of wire between the input and out put (hot /ground) You get a highs cut, compressed sound thats louder.

http://www.haloguitars.com/store/blog/guitar-wiring-series-vs-parallel-explained/

http://www.guitarnuts.com/wiring/serpar.php

More wire in a coil yes. Connecting series vs parallel no. There are other elements at work. The aspect that cancels the hum also cancels some top end frequency. Connect 2 non rw/rp picups in parallel and there is a subtle enhancement in top end and clarity.
When you connect 2 coils in parallel there is mids cancellation. In pickup situations like strats where they are close, this is quack. With 2 further spaced pickups like a LP or tele this becomes cluck. The signals that each coil creates due to it being in the pickup has not changed.

 

[DrNewcenstein]

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Anyone else reading these technical posts in Dr. Julius Sumner Miller's voice?

 

[Will S-T]

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Anyone else reading these technical posts in Dr. Julius Sumner Miller's voice?

Mate, are you Aussie?
I'll never his sucking a hard boiled egg into the milk bottle trick,
it was something burning in the bottle that did the vacuum I think!
and let's no forget the glass and a half of milk in the Cadbury chocolate bar

 

[DrNewcenstein]

Re: Parallel for clean instead of series

Not an Aussie, but that guy was as much a part of my childhood in front of the TV as Bugs Bunny, Moe, Larry, Curly, and Shemp, Scooby-Doo, Mr Rogers, Captain Kangaroo, and Soul Train.

And the guy with the 'fro painting happy clouds and trees.

And Morgan Freeman playing Spiderman on The Electric Company.

 

[Will S-T]

Re: Parallel for clean instead of series

Not an Aussie, but that guy was as much a part of my childhood in front of the TV as Bugs Bunny, Moe, Larry, Curly, and Shemp, Scooby-Doo, Mr Rogers, Captain Kangaroo, and Soul Train.

And the guy with the 'fro painting happy clouds and trees.

And Morgan Freeman playing Spiderman on The Electric Company.

I thought he was an import to our shores with the likes of Killer Karl Kox and
Andre the Giant on our midday Saturday wrestling show. We're showing our age Bro!

 

[DrNewcenstein]

Re: Parallel for clean instead of series

I remember wrestling on TV when it was real :lol:
Then somebody got bopped in the head with a chair and bled to death, and the officials stepped in and created the leagues and Federations and turned it into stuntmen and pratfalls.

Junkyard Dog, Andre The Giant, Hacksaw Jim Duggan...those were the kings in my book. Then I got a guitar and a Penthouse magazine and discovered my penis :lol:

 

[Gaspasser69]

Re: Parallel for clean instead of series

More wire in a coil yes. Connecting series vs parallel no. There are other elements at work. The aspect that cancels the hum also cancels some top end frequency. Connect 2 non rw/rp picups in parallel and there is a subtle enhancement in top end and clarity.
When you connect 2 coils in parallel there is mids cancellation. In pickup situations like strats where they are close, this is quack. With 2 further spaced pickups like a LP or tele this becomes cluck. The signals that each coil creates due to it being in the pickup has not changed.

As far as quack goes the best explaination ive read says it comes from similar coils in close proximity catching the string in two spots that are very close but different. The coils being similarly wound creates a double and slightly off signal that is like a wah filter. Wouldnt be the same with wildly different pickups.

Hum cancelling with two coils does cut off some highs (hence the fat meaty humbucker sound) and im sure two coils with same winding direction in parallel will give you more highs and clarity (never tried it) i dont know if you get mid cancellation in parallel but ill take your word for it. But you do have a huge difference in impedance among other things when you wire series vs parallel. Inductance, resistance(impedance) and capacitance.

http://www.diyguitarmods.com/series-parallel-pickup-wiring.php


Dr julius sumner miller