Pearly Gates set- a mini review

JeffB

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I tell ya-at first I did not like them. They are SUPER full- almost too muddy in the mids like a (ceramic) Custom can get- the highs are awesome- great BWANG and that sizzle/cut is just incredible for an A2 pickup, but the low strings are a little tubby/muddy- it's almost (but not quite) like a half cocked wah sound. I'm sure a better set of pots/wiring/caps would prolly help to round out the low strings, but after MUCH (6 hours worth) fiddling with the height, polepieces, and different strings, and approaching the EQ on my amp differently I got them pretty well worked out.

All that said- I think alot the "issue" I'm having is that I think playing a Alder/maple board Nitro finished strat with vintage wind singles for nearly 2 years exclusively has also "colored" my ears-EVERYTHING is gonna sound muddy in the lower registers compared to that- especially a Les Paul with A2 pickups.

The bridge is the most aggressive PAF type I've ever heard/owned (I've played PG bridge pickups many years ago, but never in my own rig/guitar) but make no mistake- the aggressive nature is in a good way. It almost fools you into thinking it's a 14K wind cos it's so aggressive. You know those players who have that gain sound thats totally on the edge of meltdown? Like it's barely under control and the player has to keep the guitar reigned in? Kinda like a Dragster? Like old Gary Moore? Randy Rhoads' Creme Custom?? Even Doug Aldrich? THATS what the PG bridge sounds/feels like through the Marshall 800 model on my VT15. Its not quite articulate enough for Iron Maiden type stuff (to do it well, anyway) but for that gained out PAF nearly out of control hard rock tone- its totally there. Pinch harmonics & overtones are nuts- and it cries/sings like a JB without any of the harshness. Through the Fender Tweed Deluxe model on the VT15 it is absolutely BANG ON early 70's era Gibbons (Tush). I can only imagine with some real volume this thing would sustain incredibly well and really open up. Unfortunately I just cannot get that kind of volume in my condo without a visit from the local constable :rolleyes:

The Neck: that was tough to dial in too. It doesn't sound as bold or sweet as it did in my V- likely cos of the different construction and maple cap, but I did get it to "useable". Its still great for higher up on the board- slash type tones, or even a Tony Iommi type sound. The clean/bluesy tones are growing on me. I need to tweak a bit more I think. I'll say this: pinch harmonics are pretty nuts on the neck pup too. NEVER had a neck pickup that pinches so well/easily. I'm really glad I didn't go with an Alnico II Pro, cos that would totally be mud. A 59 would have been over the top boom as the PG is already bordering on too much bass, though the highs and mids of a 59N would prolly be perfect. In fact I think a 59 bridge would work out phenomenally in this guitar too.

Overall pretty happenin' tones. Don't know if I'll keep them in here permanently, but I'm groovin on the unique nature of these things, and anytime a guitar's tones open the Guitarist up to approaching his playing in a different way or style (like the strat did for me) - thats a good thing.

They went in this guitar
 
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Re: Pearly Gates set- a mini review

Nailed the Pearly Gates Bridge there.
But the A2P isn't total mud if you turn down the mid.
 
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I really concur with the "going from singles to buckers" deal. Live with them a while. Give another review in 30 days.
 
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This is in your new Les Paul, right?

I love PGs in a Les Paul because they will cover everything I want to do from jazz/blues thru classic rock to classic metal. The neck PG is especially well-balanced in an LP.

However, you do need to use the knobs - preferably 500K audio taper knobs. Take the bridge tone down to 6 for a fat rock tone. Run the bridge volume at 8 for rhythm, turn up to 10 for leads - that kind of thing.

They are groovy pups. Live with 'em like Aceman says :)
 
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Thanks folks for the comments. Juts figured I'd post something as info on the PG bridge always seems pretty sparse- the neck is a different story.

I really concur with the "going from singles to buckers" deal. Live with them a while. Give another review in 30 days.

Absolutely that could be the issue and why I made the comment. didn;t mean to come off sounding as "no likey" (though at first impression, I thought that). Def cool pickups and I'm enjoying them. Certainly far better than the stockers ;)

This is in your new Les Paul, right?

I love PGs in a Les Paul because they will cover everything I want to do from jazz/blues thru classic rock to classic metal. The neck PG is especially well-balanced in an LP.

However, you do need to use the knobs - preferably 500K audio taper knobs. Take the bridge tone down to 6 for a fat rock tone. Run the bridge volume at 8 for rhythm, turn up to 10 for leads - that kind of thing.

They are groovy pups. Live with 'em like Aceman says :)

Heyya Simon- yep- in the new Epi. The guitar has full size 500K Alphas- but I know some CTS would probably be better. A full re-wire is beyond my comfort level with the soldering iron, but eventually I'll get new switch/pots, and jack done. And DEF I'm one of thos guys who rides the tone/volume controls all the time on a Les Paul- so many "hidden" tones in a Les Paul once you get to fiddling with the knobs & pickup switch-one of the best features of a Les Paul.
 
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Simon is spot on with the knob reccs. I think anything a 59 can do, a PG can do - given a slight touch of volume/tone here or there. But there are some things a PG can do that a 59 can't touch.

If you need to get down and nasty with it - a PG can go there. Or, if you really want it sweet - that A2 can do it like a 59 can't touch.

Again - when in doubt, refer to your rev Billy G. hymnal for a vast selection of examples.
 
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Nailed the Pearly Gates Bridge there.
But the A2P isn't total mud if you turn down the mid.

It's funny, because when I compare the a2pro to the PGn, to me (at least), the PGn sounds muddy, yet harsh (or muddy with harmonics), whereas the the A2pro sounds sweet and vocal (think 'Slash').
 
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I didn't have the PGb in a Paul, but in a Strat and I felt it was accurate enough for the Maiden. So maybe it's the tone inherent to a LP?
 
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Nice review. Thinking about a PGb for an LP!:)
 
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I didn't have the PGb in a Paul, but in a Strat and I felt it was accurate enough for the Maiden. So maybe it's the tone inherent to a LP?

Well a strat is a different beast- tighter attack, clearer, less "lazy" than a Les Paul.That said, the PGb can manage, but it's not optimal. I think some other A2 pickups work a bit better in that respect (57 classics for example).

I'm digging the PGs though, make no mistake. I love the depth/complexity of them under gain, the sparkle, & bite. I've dialed up some nice tones with the VT15- a nice Marshall 2203 tone ( Black Rose era Gary Moore type sound, with more bite), the dimed Tweed deluxe (which also does a pretty good 70s Nugent), and actually was able to get the Jooby into plexi-ish territory for the first time with any guitar I've run into the amp so far.
 
Re: Pearly Gates set- a mini review

This is in your new Les Paul, right?

I love PGs in a Les Paul because they will cover everything I want to do from jazz/blues thru classic rock to classic metal. The neck PG is especially well-balanced in an LP.

However, you do need to use the knobs - preferably 500K audio taper knobs. Take the bridge tone down to 6 for a fat rock tone. Run the bridge volume at 8 for rhythm, turn up to 10 for leads - that kind of thing.

They are groovy pups. Live with 'em like Aceman says :)

I went from a strat to a LP with pg's, if you're expecting the same level of definition as you get in a strat, well... I don't know what to say. As far as humbuckers go, they're my favorite set. Sweet and fat in the neck, and there's great definition to be had in the bridge. They're my favorite set of humbuckers, but then again I haven't tried SD custom shop pickups, FWIW.
 
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Thanks for the review. A while back I bought a set of gold PGs to go into a Les Paul Supreme, but haven't had them installed yet. Little nervous about my choice, as I need a good all-around PAF; not just for rock and blues, but one that can do a little country and produce some jazzy tones from the neck pickup. I have a guitar with Seths and one with Antiquitys, but I wanted a potted pickup for this guitar due to the chambering.

I'm hoping that with just a little tweaking of my amp tones, the PGs should be in the ballpark.

Bill
 
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