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DrNewcenstein said:
It's not just labor, it's environmental regulations and liability and Workmen's Comp insurance, and all the palm grease for the zoning board. If you're making money in America, there's a long line of people who think they're entitled to it. In the People's Republic, they generally have one guy who rakes in the People's Bribes. In outlying territories, it's easier to find "reasonably priced" labor - prisoners, slaves, etc.
The lack of environmental restrictions is also a major cost-reducer.

And then you have the value of the USD vs the various PacRim/FarEast currencies, so that "dollar a day" they're paying could be closer to their version of $300 a week.
It's all about cost of living - someone paid $40K USD a year in China could be living large, while someone making $40K USD in America is far from it.

One Yuan is currently equal to 16 cents American.
One Indian Rupee is equal to 1 and a half cents American.

63 Indian Rupees equals 1 USD. An 8-hour job in America that pays $8/hour is $64 a day.
That's below poverty level.
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None of that matters.

Environmental regulations don't come into play in my scenario as the practice amp is assembled here from foreign parts. (I'm guessing the cabinet could be made here, but everything else, including the speaker, made in China.) The labor costs are passed on to the consumer on a per-unit cost, not employee per week cost. Yes, it's not 100% made in the USA, but it's still *something*. It can be 20 people in China running machines making components and 20 people in the USA assembling them.

The cost of labor is a SMALL factor in anything that is made on a machine. Period.

Oh, and there's a reason for environmental regulations. I don't want to live in a place like this:

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Well I used to live Peavey back in the late 80s. I owned a renowned series and a bandit and loved them both. I stopped playing and when I decided to start up years later, my cheesy amp was a vypyr which I was very dissappointed with. I know have a blackstar, a Marshall and a carvin x100b. After owning the carvin for about a year I am sold as they don't go overseas I will be a devoted supporter
 
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Every second of a worker's work day is a factor, as is every other expense a company has. All of that goes into the Cost of making a product. Nothing is free. Every cent spent during the manufacture/assembly of a product is factored into the cost of producing that product, including wages paid, utilities (lights and water and gas to the facility), insurance....you name it, and Accounting has a cash value assigned to it. Higher production volume means less time=money spent on one individual item, thus reducing the Cost of producing one item. Producing thousands a day puts you firmly in the black, while falling short by 10 pieces will put you in the red for days trying to play catchup.

My employer's Bean-Counter regales us all quarterly with the High Cost of Low Wage warfare, constantly reminding us all that we need to wok hodder foh grory of company! Every month we've got a new "quota that's not really a quota because calling it a quota is illegal, but it's a quota", and the People's Republic of My Employer counts every 1000th of a cent spent in making their annual billions.

I'm all for environmental regulations. I never said a word against them. I merely stated that compliance with them is counted as a loss of profit, because it was money spent that did not yield a return in a monetary form; in their eyes, they bought a block of ice and watched it melt, and every year some Government nozzle comes up with another block of ice for them to buy. The Goal is to produce all needed products out of thin air with the power of positive thought and a can-do spirit, and that's both the Business Model and the EPA standard.
 
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jackson111 said:
i was in my local shop looking at a 6505 combo and it was foreign made? whats the deal with that. i thouhgt peavey was manufacturing their flag ship amps in the usa? the salesman told me oh yeah that used to be the case, but they have moved all their products overseas. is this true or does this guy not have a clue?
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Yes, you saw right !

This one : http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/peavey-6505-112-60w-1x12-tube-combo-guitar-amp - their new 6505 combo is indeed made in the far east - hende the cheap asking price.

The one below (now discontinued - i think) was made in the USA.


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The model with the knobs on the top is US made.
The model with the silver faceplate on the front, is made in the far east.
I s'pose one can expect a substantial built quality difference, as well as cheaper components inside of the far eastern model.
 
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Well this thread talked me out of my next amp purchase. I was going for the Valveking II 20 combo.

Oh well, back to the drawing board ...
 
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skyydogg01 said:
Well this thread talked me out of my next amp purchase. I was going for the Valveking II 20 combo.

Oh well, back to the drawing board ...
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I'm in the same boat with you buddy.

However,

How would buying a used made-overseas peavey fit into a framework responsible consumerism? Is it still feeding the beast, I mean the amp's already been made, the labor is done, peavey doesn't benefit from the second hand sale... the only issue for me would be owning an amp someone busted their butt over, to end up making peanuts in a company that is being run far away from it's glory days. And someone could see me playing it and be enticed to buy a new one... but is buying used an option, or is total boycott somehow more ethical?

Your thoughts, gentlemen?
 
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jackson111 said:
i was in my local shop looking at a 6505 combo and it was foreign made? whats the deal with that. i thouhgt peavey was manufacturing their flag ship amps in the usa? the salesman told me oh yeah that used to be the case, but they have moved all their products overseas. is this true or does this guy not have a clue?
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All of they're guitar amplifiers will be made in China from now on. It's quite disheartening. I work in a store that has the last USA-made 6505+ and Triple XXX II available brand new. It's a really sad thing to witness the end of an era right before my eyes.

I won't say our name, because I don't feel right using the forum for advertising.
 
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RStabler said:
All of they're guitar amplifiers will be made in China from now on.

It's quite disheartening. I work in a store that has the last USA-made 6505+ and Triple XXX II available brand new.
It's a really sad thing to witness the end of an era right before my eyes.

I won't say our name, because I don't feel right using the forum for advertising.
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That is sickening :disappoin
 
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FuseG4 said:
I'm in the same boat with you buddy.

However,

How would buying a used made-overseas peavey fit into a framework responsible consumerism? Is it still feeding the beast, I mean the amp's already been made, the labor is done, peavey doesn't benefit from the second hand sale... the only issue for me would be owning an amp someone busted their butt over, to end up making peanuts in a company that is being run far away from it's glory days. And someone could see me playing it and be enticed to buy a new one... but is buying used an option, or is total boycott somehow more ethical?

Your thoughts, gentlemen?
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I think that buy buying a used product, you're helping maintain the new product's resale value. You're also indicating your support for the brand, and for that model, as well as tacit approval for how it was made, the business practices involved. When people see you with that amp, they're not going to know whether you bought it new or used, and it's not going to matter matter as much as what you're playing and what baggage follows it around.
 
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zzmoore said:
I got the feeling that Hartley is in the process of handing (selling) the reins to his Son In-Law. Does not seem that Hartley is too involved anymore, and the Son In-Law is packing up and moving for cheaper labor.
The problem with a "World Economy" is that we still have "Local Wages". We should all fight for higher wages in:
Indeia
China
Vietnam
Korea
etc etc
As long as the cheap labor exists.......
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May want to take Korea off that list. I make more than USA Min wage and those guys still make more than I do on average.
 
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And, my reasoning for my previous post was that I'm actually OK with buying foreign-made things. It's the overall crappy business model that they've shifted to. I mean look at my guitars in my sig ... A Mexican, A Korean, A Japanese and a Chinese. Just poor business practices ...

On to find a used Mesa F-30 for cheap ...
 
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I have no problem buying gear made outside the USA. I have no problem buying gear made in the USA. Where I have a problem is when the USA-made quality (of materials or workmanship) is not higher than that of the lower-priced imported item, or when the imported item, being sold for the same price as the previously-made-in-USA item, does not have the quality (of materials or workmanship) to match the price.

Cost-cutting measures that are not passed on to the consumer mean nothing to me, as a consumer. If a company wishes to increase their profits, they need to increase sales. If they cannot, then the reality of the market must be accepted. If a business fails, it fails. People lose jobs, CEOs have to live off their investments and savings and sell their Rolexes to survive, just like the labor-classes.
 
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