Peter Green/Blues/Vintage Rock tone = Antiquities?

[timodonnell]

Another 'what should I get' thread I'm afraid: I have a reissue '57 Goldtop - looking to swap the '57 Classics for something to get closer to Peter Green Clean / Cleanish Blues / through to 70s rock tones. I'm guessing the Antiquities might come out well - any other options / opinions?
Tim

 

[mrfjones]

Re: Peter Green/Blues/Vintage Rock tone = Antiquities?

antiquitys will do well, but you might want to get a set made like his, i think there may be a peter green set from the custom shop. it is basically two pafs but one is turned around (neck) for some out of phase type stuff

 

[Benjy_26]

Re: Peter Green/Blues/Vintage Rock tone = Antiquities?

You can also just flip the magnet on your neck pickup and mount it backwards.

 

[dr.barlo]

Re: Peter Green/Blues/Vintage Rock tone = Antiquities?

Depends on how aggressive you want your tone to be and how bright/hollow your guitar is.

1. Stock antiquities: Great soft but very clear tone full of 3d harmonics without that uppermid heavy nasal honk.

2. a5/a2 or a3 modded antiquities: A5 for the bridge a3 for the neck . Now you get a very clear PAF tone (~59's) with them uppermid nasal honk and pucnh in the bridge, and clear and 3d harmonics (a little brighter and stronger than that of aged a2s) in the neck. Excellent set!

3. PGs: darker a2 PAF tone, but still with uppermids to help you cut through. They are not round or anything, but in comparison to a5 PAFs they are not that edgey. Excellent pickups, it's just that they don't have that 3d thingy of the antiquities. But instead they have a fuller tone, thicker, not hollow like the ants, and still with the scream due to the uppermids (as a result of unbalanced coils).

Anyone of those depending on the guitar and amp comes very close to Greeney's tone, that I love soo much. Not only that, the same set then would work to nail Gary Moore's tone on the Blues for Greeney. :duh:

B

 

[the guy who invented fire]

Re: Peter Green/Blues/Vintage Rock tone = Antiquities?

I beg you please...Listen to the good Dr.

 

[mrfjones]

Re: Peter Green/Blues/Vintage Rock tone = Antiquities?

very well put doc

 

[Brow]

Re: Peter Green/Blues/Vintage Rock tone = Antiquities?

I personally think a set of Seth Lovers in a Les Paul is great for 70's Rock.

If you do want the Peter Green 'out of phase' setting when both pickups are on, I believe you could use a 4 conductor set of pups (PG's for example) and have 1 of the pups connected to a push/pull pot to switch the phase of 1 of the pickups. That way you could decide if you want the out of phase setting or not

I may be wrong on my last suggestion, but I think it should work

Craig

 

[timodonnell]

Re: Peter Green/Blues/Vintage Rock tone = Antiquities?

Thank you - much appreciated,
Tim

 

[Lewguitar]

Re: Peter Green/Blues/Vintage Rock tone = Antiquities?

Depends on how aggressive you want your tone to be and how bright/hollow your guitar is.

1. Stock antiquities: Great soft but very clear tone full of 3d harmonics without that uppermid heavy nasal honk.

2. a5/a2 or a3 modded antiquities: A5 for the bridge a3 for the neck . Now you get a very clear PAF tone (~59's) with them uppermid nasal honk and pucnh in the bridge, and clear and 3d harmonics (a little brighter and stronger than that of aged a2s) in the neck. Excellent set!

3. PGs: darker a2 PAF tone, but still with uppermids to help you cut through. They are not round or anything, but in comparison to a5 PAFs they are not that edgey. Excellent pickups, it's just that they don't have that 3d thingy of the antiquities. But instead they have a fuller tone, thicker, not hollow like the ants, and still with the scream due to the uppermids (as a result of unbalanced coils).

Anyone of those depending on the guitar and amp comes very close to Greeney's tone, that I love soo much. Not only that, the same set then would work to nail Gary Moore's tone on the Blues for Greeney. :duh:

B

It's nice to have choices because one thing I know is that one set of pickups might sound awesome in one guitar and not quite as awesome in another example of the exact same guitar! But in a Les Paul, I don't see you could go wrong with Antiquitys or Pearly Gates. The PG's would be easiest to mod and do the magnet flip Green did because they have no covers. I have to say though that for my own playing, I don't care for the tone of out-of-phase pickups. I know that nasal tone worked for Green and works for BB King, but it doesn't work for me. Lew

 

[jeremy]

Re: Peter Green/Blues/Vintage Rock tone = Antiquities?

i have a pg set that has a phase switch on the bridge pup. i think the tone you get with the pups out of phase, neck pup volume up all the way, bridge pup down to about 7 is killer!! it is a different tone for sure but very nice!!

 

[Lewguitar]

Re: Peter Green/Blues/Vintage Rock tone = Antiquities?

i have a pg set that has a phase switch on the bridge pup. i think the tone you get with the pups out of phase, neck pup volume up all the way, bridge pup down to about 7 is killer!! it is a different tone for sure but very nice!!

There ya go, that's the trick. When you see BB King play he's constantly fiddling with his two volume controls and playing one out of phase humbucker off of the other. It's a cool tone...but I wouldn't want my only guitar wired that way.

 

[Falstaff]

Re: Peter Green/Blues/Vintage Rock tone = Antiquities?

There ya go, that's the trick. When you see BB King play he's constantly fiddling with his two volume controls and playing one out of phase humbucker off of the other. It's a cool tone...but I wouldn't want my only guitar wired that way.

I agree...the PG mod is fun but I would only do it if I had more than one LP. As for the basic Green tone, a good PAF clone like the Antiquities will more than likely make you very happy.

 

[Wattage]

Re: Peter Green/Blues/Vintage Rock tone = Antiquities?

I used a push-pull pot on a CC/Jazz set to flip the phase and it worked great. Make sfor a real versatile LP even if it's your only one.

 

[Falstaff]

Re: Peter Green/Blues/Vintage Rock tone = Antiquities?

Yes...the push/pull pot is the way to go. Much more versatile than the magnet flip.

 

[Lewguitar]

Re: Peter Green/Blues/Vintage Rock tone = Antiquities?

The flip the phase thing works...but it'll make your polepieces and all the metal parts of your humbucker including the nickel cover "hot" (so they'll buzz if you touch them) especially if you're dealing with a single conductor vintage style shielded cable pickup. There may be a way around this with a 4 conductor pickup...I don't know. Never tried it.

 

[dr.barlo]

Re: Peter Green/Blues/Vintage Rock tone = Antiquities?

The flip the phase thing works...but it'll make your polepieces and all the metal parts of your humbucker including the nickel cover "hot" (so they'll buzz if you touch them) especially if you're dealing with a single conductor vintage style shielded cable pickup. There may be a way around this with a 4 conductor pickup...I don't know. Never tried it.

I don't think that's the case with 4c HB's (yeah with 2c's sure). In fact the bare wire is always grounded no, thus using the green instead of the black solves that problem you are talking about.

Kent did a phenomenal wiring diagram calling it "Barlo's fat strat funky boogie machine" or something. :burnout: It was using 2 4c HB's, 2 DPDT miniswiches (push/pull pots if you will), and 2 vol 2 tone wiring. I had some funky wiring on that, but could not guess how to do the extra stuff he made this circuit do! Yeah baby, yeah!!!!

B