UberMetalDood
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Those of you who have experimented with the hybrid thing a lot, what do you think a PG/Seth Lover hybrid will sound like? Then, what do you think it would it sound like with a UOA5 or A4 magnet?
PG/Seth Lover Hybrid?
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blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: PG/Seth Lover Hybrid?
I've made a number of hybrids, especially using PAF's. First of all, you need to decide whether it's going to be for the neck or bridge slot. For neck hybrids, I'll use a coil from a PAF bridge and one from a PAF neck, either the same model ('59B + '59N), or different models (SethB + '59N). That'll put you around 8K, which will be brighter and edgier than an 8K PU with balanced coils, and that lets you use a warmer magnet and still have a good amount of treble and clarity. You can get the texture and dynamics of A2's and UOA5's, and still have a sharp, cutting high-end in the neck slot (which is my goal). The bigger the difference in coils, the more single coil sound and treble comes thru (less HB 'series' effect adding mids and cancelling treble). Hybrids have both HB and SC tones combined.
In the bridge slot, you'll probably have a bigger mismatch in coils, example: using a 7K coil from a C5 and a 4.2K coil from a '59B. That means a large part of the 7K coil doesn't have the cancelling effect of a typical HB with matched coils. That makes for a bright, open-sounding PU, and a warm magnet works well there. I personally would never use an A5 in a bridge hybrid with coils having that big a difference, but some guys like a lot of high-end.
I've made a number of hybrids, especially using PAF's. First of all, you need to decide whether it's going to be for the neck or bridge slot. For neck hybrids, I'll use a coil from a PAF bridge and one from a PAF neck, either the same model ('59B + '59N), or different models (SethB + '59N). That'll put you around 8K, which will be brighter and edgier than an 8K PU with balanced coils, and that lets you use a warmer magnet and still have a good amount of treble and clarity. You can get the texture and dynamics of A2's and UOA5's, and still have a sharp, cutting high-end in the neck slot (which is my goal). The bigger the difference in coils, the more single coil sound and treble comes thru (less HB 'series' effect adding mids and cancelling treble). Hybrids have both HB and SC tones combined.
In the bridge slot, you'll probably have a bigger mismatch in coils, example: using a 7K coil from a C5 and a 4.2K coil from a '59B. That means a large part of the 7K coil doesn't have the cancelling effect of a typical HB with matched coils. That makes for a bright, open-sounding PU, and a warm magnet works well there. I personally would never use an A5 in a bridge hybrid with coils having that big a difference, but some guys like a lot of high-end.
STRATDELUXER97
Stratoblaster Tone Meister
Re: PG/Seth Lover Hybrid?
Great post...I've only done hybrids using the custom/59 combo...Your's sounds very interesting!
Great post...I've only done hybrids using the custom/59 combo...Your's sounds very interesting!
koshikas
New member
Re: PG/Seth Lover Hybrid?
I gather this exactly is what 59/Custom hybrid is with an A5 magnet. If u think A5 is not ur preferred choice in this bigger un-balanced hybrids, what alternate magnets do u recommend and for what type of sounds. I m myself leaning towards the 59/Custom hybrid for the bridge in a neck-thru guitar featuring a vintage output neck pickup with A3 magnet. I m mostly expecting to get good jazzy/blusie sounds to heavy rock (maybe early metal :fingersx
tones out of it. Do you think it is a good choice, or do u recommend it with a magnet swap?
I gather this exactly is what 59/Custom hybrid is with an A5 magnet. If u think A5 is not ur preferred choice in this bigger un-balanced hybrids, what alternate magnets do u recommend and for what type of sounds. I m myself leaning towards the 59/Custom hybrid for the bridge in a neck-thru guitar featuring a vintage output neck pickup with A3 magnet. I m mostly expecting to get good jazzy/blusie sounds to heavy rock (maybe early metal :fingersx
tones out of it. Do you think it is a good choice, or do u recommend it with a magnet swap?blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: PG/Seth Lover Hybrid?
Perhaps you would like to add something that could possibly help the OP, since your post here has done absolutely nothing. Please, by all means, share your wisdom and experience with us. Show us how it's done.
Perhaps you would like to add something that could possibly help the OP, since your post here has done absolutely nothing. Please, by all means, share your wisdom and experience with us. Show us how it's done.
Jeffrec
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Re: PG/Seth Lover Hybrid?
That is a brilliant idea. I've never thought of mixing coils.:smokin:
That is a brilliant idea. I've never thought of mixing coils.:smokin:
blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: PG/Seth Lover Hybrid?
Took me a long time to finally try it, but I've gotten hooked. These days I'm making hybrids from my spare PU's, and going thru my guitars and swapping coils in many of them. All my neck HB's now have unbalanced coils thru hybrids, spin-a-split, or Artie's Coil Swap Mod. Opens up the sound and gives it more of an edge. Cures any muffled, middy, boomy, bassy issues in neck HB's.
I'm currently intrigued by 9-10K bridge hybrids with warm magnets. Lots of unchartered territory to explore with hybrids, thousands of potential combinations, so don't expect other people to have tried the same two coils you may have happened to put together. All I can do is give some advice based on what I've learned as I go thru this. You're pretty much on your own as you forge thru your coil pairings.
Took me a long time to finally try it, but I've gotten hooked. These days I'm making hybrids from my spare PU's, and going thru my guitars and swapping coils in many of them. All my neck HB's now have unbalanced coils thru hybrids, spin-a-split, or Artie's Coil Swap Mod. Opens up the sound and gives it more of an edge. Cures any muffled, middy, boomy, bassy issues in neck HB's.
I'm currently intrigued by 9-10K bridge hybrids with warm magnets. Lots of unchartered territory to explore with hybrids, thousands of potential combinations, so don't expect other people to have tried the same two coils you may have happened to put together. All I can do is give some advice based on what I've learned as I go thru this. You're pretty much on your own as you forge thru your coil pairings.
Falloffthebonetone
New member
Re: PG/Seth Lover Hybrid?
Come to think of it, has anyone tried a WLH/Custom hybrid yet?
Come to think of it, has anyone tried a WLH/Custom hybrid yet?
blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: PG/Seth Lover Hybrid?
At the price of WLH's, I kind of doubt people want to take them apart and yank out a coil.
At the price of WLH's, I kind of doubt people want to take them apart and yank out a coil.
jtougas
New member
Re: PG/Seth Lover Hybrid?
I don't need experience swapping coils to tell you didn't answer his question, since at no point in your post (which, I'm not being sarcastic, is fact filled and educational) did you *actually* address the pickups that the OP inquired about.
I think answering the OPs question as to how a Pearly Gates & Seth hybrid would be a good start.
I don't need experience swapping coils to tell you didn't answer his question, since at no point in your post (which, I'm not being sarcastic, is fact filled and educational) did you *actually* address the pickups that the OP inquired about.
I think answering the OPs question as to how a Pearly Gates & Seth hybrid would be a good start.
Falloffthebonetone
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Re: PG/Seth Lover Hybrid?
It's only like 20 bucks more. Not like the cost of a bareknuckle or anything.
It's only like 20 bucks more. Not like the cost of a bareknuckle or anything.
Falloffthebonetone
New member
Re: PG/Seth Lover Hybrid?
It would be curious definitely. One slightly hotter potted coil, one unpotted slightly weaker. The output difference isn't as great as the 59/c, and an a2 mag would be the common factor and the obvious choice since you don't want it to be TOO powerful or anything. It would certainly be bright, probably almost single coil levels of treble response. I can't REALLY speak because I don't know how a potted and unpotted coil would react. Maybe if it's weird someone could re-pot it? Then maybe even mag swapping could help out. Just theorizing. It could be the greatest pickup ever. But if ONE coil is or becomes microphonic, you will likely get ALL of the bad aspects of a microphonic pickup. Unless since only one pickup is microphonic the overtones won't be as harsh and you might be able to get more out of it since the microphonic half is not only weaker, but half the strength of a fully microphonic humbucker. I'd want to see it done.
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STRATDELUXER97
Stratoblaster Tone Meister
Re: PG/Seth Lover Hybrid?
Why do some of these posts have to turn into pissing matches? Blueman can stick up for himself,but he posts alot of great info for us on the forums..Can't we just post,have some fun,and help each other?There's a reason I've been a part of this forum since before 04,lets keep it real!:beerchug:
Why do some of these posts have to turn into pissing matches? Blueman can stick up for himself,but he posts alot of great info for us on the forums..Can't we just post,have some fun,and help each other?There's a reason I've been a part of this forum since before 04,lets keep it real!:beerchug:
blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: PG/Seth Lover Hybrid?
With all the thousands of potential combinations, do you have any idea how few people have tried any given hybrid? Obviously very few, as no one who has done it with a PG/Seth has posted here yet. I've given the OP the most information on hybrids so far, while you have contributed absolutely nothing. Well done. Looking forward to more of your informative posts. You've given the OP so much to go on.
With all the thousands of potential combinations, do you have any idea how few people have tried any given hybrid? Obviously very few, as no one who has done it with a PG/Seth has posted here yet. I've given the OP the most information on hybrids so far, while you have contributed absolutely nothing. Well done. Looking forward to more of your informative posts. You've given the OP so much to go on.
blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: PG/Seth Lover Hybrid?
As it is, C5's and '59's are bright, mid-scooped PU's to start with. Making a hybrid with them, adds more single coil sound, and makes a brighter, thinner PU. Not the direction I want to go (I put warmer magnets in my C5's and '59B's, and use them in bridge hybrids too). It depends on how warm or bright you like your bridge PU's, and how much gain you use (the brighter the PU, the less muddy it'll be as gain increases). Try it stock and see what you think.
What A3's offer is a lot of mids, and while they're relatively bright, the high-end is softer and more rounded than an A5's. The extra mids in A3's and A2's make a neck PU sound 'bigger.' I have A3's in some neck HB's. It's a good magnet in the right application (some were used in original PAF's).
I gather this exactly is what 59/Custom hybrid is with an A5 magnet. If u think A5 is not ur preferred choice in this bigger un-balanced hybrids, what alternate magnets do u recommend and for what type of sounds. I m myself leaning towards the 59/Custom hybrid for the bridge in a neck-thru guitar featuring a vintage output neck pickup with A3 magnet. I m mostly expecting to get good jazzy/blusie sounds to heavy rock (maybe early metal :fingersx
As it is, C5's and '59's are bright, mid-scooped PU's to start with. Making a hybrid with them, adds more single coil sound, and makes a brighter, thinner PU. Not the direction I want to go (I put warmer magnets in my C5's and '59B's, and use them in bridge hybrids too). It depends on how warm or bright you like your bridge PU's, and how much gain you use (the brighter the PU, the less muddy it'll be as gain increases). Try it stock and see what you think.
What A3's offer is a lot of mids, and while they're relatively bright, the high-end is softer and more rounded than an A5's. The extra mids in A3's and A2's make a neck PU sound 'bigger.' I have A3's in some neck HB's. It's a good magnet in the right application (some were used in original PAF's).
Re: PG/Seth Lover Hybrid?
I did that. I had a PAF which sounded great but was microphonic. I didnt want too lose the tone by potting so I decided to pot only one coil. It worked! No more microphonic issues, but yes the tone changed. Lost some high end and sustain, but probably not as much than potting both coils. Cant say that I did it on two identical pups to compare them.
On the other issue, making a Seth/PG hybrid is something I want to do as well, so we would all love to hear your opinion if you do so first.
As for what Blueman says on the A5 mag on a Custum/59 hybrid; shouldnt it have come with an A8? It just seemed more logical IMO. But I would be lying if I said that Ive tried that pup with A2, UOA5 & A8. For you whats the best mag for that pup Blueman?
I did that. I had a PAF which sounded great but was microphonic. I didnt want too lose the tone by potting so I decided to pot only one coil. It worked! No more microphonic issues, but yes the tone changed. Lost some high end and sustain, but probably not as much than potting both coils. Cant say that I did it on two identical pups to compare them.
On the other issue, making a Seth/PG hybrid is something I want to do as well, so we would all love to hear your opinion if you do so first.
As for what Blueman says on the A5 mag on a Custum/59 hybrid; shouldnt it have come with an A8? It just seemed more logical IMO. But I would be lying if I said that Ive tried that pup with A2, UOA5 & A8. For you whats the best mag for that pup Blueman?
koshikas
New member
Re: PG/Seth Lover Hybrid?
alright i m done searching for bridge pickups. I m running into 59/Custom hybrid too frequently, and so shall it be. No point in talking too much gotta put the thing to work and see how it goes. And yes the coils seem to have the mojo right, if it ends up being painfully bright, i will go for a warmer magnet. Thanks @blueman335 for the help and info.
you are spot-on about the A3 neck humbucker i ve got. sounds quite big, with some sweet high-end, so i m planning to keep it. let see how it goes, and whether they matchup good.
alright i m done searching for bridge pickups. I m running into 59/Custom hybrid too frequently, and so shall it be. No point in talking too much gotta put the thing to work and see how it goes. And yes the coils seem to have the mojo right, if it ends up being painfully bright, i will go for a warmer magnet. Thanks @blueman335 for the help and info.
you are spot-on about the A3 neck humbucker i ve got. sounds quite big, with some sweet high-end, so i m planning to keep it. let see how it goes, and whether they matchup good.
Re: PG/Seth Lover Hybrid?
yes. lets quit the bickering guys, it serves no purpose other than to detract from all the good things that happen here.
yes. lets quit the bickering guys, it serves no purpose other than to detract from all the good things that happen here.
Re: PG/Seth Lover Hybrid?
I have tried approximately 100 hybrids, with documentation. I have a good memory but even I can't memorize 100 hybrids.
I have tried the PG/Seth BRIDGE and I think it's a great pickup with an alnico 2. It's more open than the PG, a bit more fluid than the seth. I did notice a huge difference in using a slug or screw seth. I didn't care for the slug seth, I preferred the screw: bit more power in that coil. For some reason, the Seth is a bit less powerful than the PG and I felt the need to compensate a bit for that difference. It's a great PAF style pickup, I have to admit. it's perhaps my favorite of all PAF style pickups. It's got cut but isn't harsh. It's got power but isn't hot. It works amazing in a lot of applications.
I also love the sethB/Screaming demon Alnico 8. great medium output pickup. It's around 9.1k, but it's got so much chunk. great pickup.
Here's a list of all the hybrids I made that I liked.
59 custom alnico 2, 5, 8
pearly custom alnico 2, 5
screaming demon/sh6n thick ceramic, alnico 8, alnico 5
demon/sethb alnico 2, 5, 8
jb/jazz alnico 5, alnico 8
jazz n / 59n alnico 2, 5, 8
jazz b / 59b alnico 2, 5, 8
jb/fullshred alnico 5, alnico 8
alt8/fullshred alnico 8, alnico 5
jb/distortion thick ceramic, alnico 5
patb1/patb2 thin ceramic, alnico 8
patb2/jb alnico 5, alnico 8, thin ceramic
patb2/fullshred thin ceramic, alnico 8
patb2/bluesbucker alnico 8, thin ceramic
jb/super distortion DMZ guts
jb/super distortion SD guts
distortion/superdistortion
invader/x2n DMZ guts
invader/x2n SD guts
sethb/pearly alnico 2, alnico 5
sethb/screaming demon alnico 2, alnico 8, alnico 8
seth n/ screaming demon alnico 2, alnico 5, alnico 8
seth b/ sh6n alnico 8
stagmag/fullshred alnico 2 slugs, alnico 8 bar
stagmag/fullshred alnico 2 slugs alnico 5 bar
stagmag/fullshred alnico 5 slugs, alnico 8 bar
59/custom alnico 8 bar alnico 5 slugs
seth n / screaming demon alnico 8 bar alnico 5 slugs
fullshred b/fullshred n alnico 5, alnico 8
The one in bold is the only one that failed. Miserably. That pickup sounded honky, wonky and just plain horrible.
I have tried approximately 100 hybrids, with documentation. I have a good memory but even I can't memorize 100 hybrids.
I have tried the PG/Seth BRIDGE and I think it's a great pickup with an alnico 2. It's more open than the PG, a bit more fluid than the seth. I did notice a huge difference in using a slug or screw seth. I didn't care for the slug seth, I preferred the screw: bit more power in that coil. For some reason, the Seth is a bit less powerful than the PG and I felt the need to compensate a bit for that difference. It's a great PAF style pickup, I have to admit. it's perhaps my favorite of all PAF style pickups. It's got cut but isn't harsh. It's got power but isn't hot. It works amazing in a lot of applications.
I also love the sethB/Screaming demon Alnico 8. great medium output pickup. It's around 9.1k, but it's got so much chunk. great pickup.
Here's a list of all the hybrids I made that I liked.
59 custom alnico 2, 5, 8
pearly custom alnico 2, 5
screaming demon/sh6n thick ceramic, alnico 8, alnico 5
demon/sethb alnico 2, 5, 8
jb/jazz alnico 5, alnico 8
jazz n / 59n alnico 2, 5, 8
jazz b / 59b alnico 2, 5, 8
jb/fullshred alnico 5, alnico 8
alt8/fullshred alnico 8, alnico 5
jb/distortion thick ceramic, alnico 5
patb1/patb2 thin ceramic, alnico 8
patb2/jb alnico 5, alnico 8, thin ceramic
patb2/fullshred thin ceramic, alnico 8
patb2/bluesbucker alnico 8, thin ceramic
jb/super distortion DMZ guts
jb/super distortion SD guts
distortion/superdistortion
invader/x2n DMZ guts
invader/x2n SD guts
sethb/pearly alnico 2, alnico 5
sethb/screaming demon alnico 2, alnico 8, alnico 8
seth n/ screaming demon alnico 2, alnico 5, alnico 8
seth b/ sh6n alnico 8
stagmag/fullshred alnico 2 slugs, alnico 8 bar
stagmag/fullshred alnico 2 slugs alnico 5 bar
stagmag/fullshred alnico 5 slugs, alnico 8 bar
59/custom alnico 8 bar alnico 5 slugs
seth n / screaming demon alnico 8 bar alnico 5 slugs
fullshred b/fullshred n alnico 5, alnico 8
The one in bold is the only one that failed. Miserably. That pickup sounded honky, wonky and just plain horrible.
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