Phat Cats on a Epiphone SG

[Rodney Gene]

Re: Phat Cats on a Epiphone SG

Without addressing any person or topic in general, it's always unfortunate when I see anybody being led down several bunny trails unnecessarily even in the spirit of 'helpfulness'.

That said, forums need all kinds. Whether the all-day long poster / inexperienced player / full-time at home tinkerer / guitar collector / data collector types, they can serve a valuable purpose on forums. Since many are currently choosing little else which is self-evident and documented by the sheer post frequency...and since they (obviously) aren't players outside of the home or playing at hobbyist levels at best if they are, it's helpful for that level of information to be passed along by somebody. I genuinely appreciate it and support it, particularly when done with humility and integrity or at the least kindness and a respect for the community. It is a valid and important contribution and in truth very few on any given forum are professionals in the field of music or tone development as would be expected. Time doesn't permit it.

It only becomes a detriment when someone's self-important opinion (or limited facts) leave no room, distort the clarity or slander the contribution of those who have put in years of work and study in-real time demanding performance / R&D situations and / or diminish the very house (while in the house) of those who have actually provided the substance from which they base their 'findings'. Its irony. User perspectives of all kinds are important but mis-information or incomplete information hurts everybody. Credibility is often lost early on anyway, but that slows the train down.

No amount of 'self' important, self summary chatter can support accurate or complete on stage, in the studio, in R&D, on the bench reality. Not ever. This aint a hen-house.

Goethe said, "Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which matter least.."
When any topic becomes so cozy and wrought with habit that copies are sold as originals, then the proverbial catabolism is close at hand.

It is inevitable.

Cheers and Respect,

RG

 

[blueman335]

Re: Phat Cats on a Epiphone SG

Well, I already way overdid my forum time for the week genuinely. I will not have nor want the last word on this thread..haha! But this will be my last word on this

And you promised...

 

[blueman335]

Re: Phat Cats on a Epiphone SG

No one's saying that Phat Cats aren't high-quality PU's or that good sounds can't be gotten from them. The design's a little archaic by today's standards, but the big issue is that the magnet choice limits their versatility. The OP's got an SG and would likely expect the classic SG Special sounds of early Iommi, Townsend, and Santana; that's going to be a struggle because Phat Cats weren't designed for that. They're good at what they do, but what that is isn't clear to the vast majority of potential buyers. Hence the problem. You're probably not getting the P-90 tones you expected to. The OP should be aware of that up front.

Duncan wanted to market a single coil for humbucker-routed guitars. Excellent idea. They went in a different direction than the rest of the market did, but nothing wrong with that. I'm sure sales have been modest for Phat Cats, at least compared to initial expectations, and they've sat on the back burner as a low-priority item. Had Duncan gone for the 'Live at Leeds/Woodstock' sound right off the bat, there would be a lot more interest in Phat Cats, and you'd see a lot of passionate threads here about them. As it is, of the two biggest promoters here of Phat Cats, one of the guys didn't even own one. I'd love to see Duncan come out with a version or two that would have more appeal to a bigger base of players. Keep the A2 version in production if they want, but give players the classic P-90 tones on the albums they love. That's why most guys want an HB-sized P-90: they want to duplicate the tones they've heard for decades. That would give the competition something to worry about. Duncan should dominate the HB-size P-90 market.

 

[Rodney Gene]

Re: Phat Cats on a Epiphone SG

And you promised...

Promise? No, I keep promises. Its Saturday, I have a couple of hours of well earn liberties with my limited time. Sometimes we re-evaluate and I found more clips.

No one's saying that Phat Cats aren't high-quality PU's or that good sounds can't be gotten from them. The design's a little archaic by today's standards, but the big issue is that the magnet choice limits their versatility. The OP's got an SG and would likely expect the classic SG Special sounds of early Iommi, Townsend, and Santana; that's going to be a struggle because Phat Cats weren't designed for that. They're good at what they do, but what that is isn't clear to the vast majority of potential buyers. Hence the problem. You're probably not getting the P-90 tones you expected to. The OP should be aware of that up front.

Duncan wanted to market a single coil for humbucker-routed guitars. Excellent idea. They went in a different direction than the rest of the market did, but nothing wrong with that. I'm sure sales have been modest for Phat Cats, at least compared to initial expectations, and they've sat on the back burner as a low-priority item. Had Duncan gone for the 'Live at Leeds/Woodstock' sound right off the bat, there would be a lot more interest in Phat Cats, and you'd see a lot of passionate threads here about them. As it is, of the two biggest promoters here of Phat Cats, one of the guys didn't even own one. I'd love to see Duncan come out with a version or two that would have more appeal to a bigger base of players. Keep the A2 version in production if they want, but give players the classic P-90 tones on the albums they love. That's why most guys want an HB-sized P-90: they want to duplicate the tones they've heard for decades. That would give the competition something to worry about. Duncan should dominate the HB-size P-90 market.

^^ That was a lucid and thoughtful reply ^^

Question: Why not just learn the trade? I sense you are well-meaning Blueman but obviously our ability to swap magnets is not actual pickup design experience or design understanding.

Why not clearly learn the interaction of wire, bobbin and magnet? If you would greater learn the limits or possibilities 'hands-on' within any given pickup design your story would be refreshingly clearer. Consider building a machine? They are pretty easy to get started. Report back after the first 100! BTW SDs are 'archaic' pickup designs? LOL! Not sure what 'today's standards' means considering SD set the 'modern standard' but I love them.

Blueman I think you have some great qualities as a contributor. I honestly think you could have a highly successful blog since you are opinionated and like to and have time to post and write so often. I would love to see your energy and enthusiasm directed and armed with a bit more real-life hands-on information however. It would help. No flame here, I wonder if you realize how much credibility is instantly lost with statements like 'PU makers are all about the wind, and magnets are a minor consideration. For us end-users, it's the opposite.'.. It is brutally false. A minor consideration? Cmon bro. It demonstrates limited experience and there is nothing integral about it. Consider what you would learn if you sat in a room with Seymour, Jason, Don, Larry, Kevin, Tim etc.. and just asked 'why' is this like this? None of them would ridicule, all of them would educate you and in the case of Seymour he would do it with grace, humility and more patience and kindness and FACTS than you have ever experienced. I don't think you quite understand the depth of the well. Why not get some hands on mentoring or experience and expand your story? There is no 'man keeping us down' here. I am still constantly asking questions.

And...another question for you. Again no flame, but why do you continue to state 'modest sales' or the like? Really? Again, cmon here. To insinuate that Duncan is unaware of their market, or have a 'back burner' mentality etc. demonstrates the lack of knowledge about SD and their marketing of products in general. And how could you know it? But my question is why do it? What's the agenda? Doesn't it makes sense that anyone who self-appoints a marketing analysis on whether or not Duncan has met its annual sales goal or projection with a pickup etc. cannot be taken as credible? Only SD knows whether a product consistently out performs its goals, or what is 'low priority' etc.. and yet this is a regular habit of yours. Take my advice, it is not needed to support your posts, it is false and it just weakens your intended influence. 2 steps forward 3 steps back. Whatever you hope to convey or gain goes away with statements like that. Consider building your influence with Duncan, not diminishing it. It is far more powerful and influential being as integral and accurate with information. And dominate the market? Sure. Its a great idea, a great goal. And don't you think Duncan might consider their position in the market? Everyday? LOL? Even if they haven't implemented new designs? Again you would benefit from more info as you don't quite understand how far reaching SD's influence is. There is more movement than what can be seen from the top of the water.

I realize that backing up your consistently persistent Duncan 'tone and design flaws' with documentation would be very difficult for you. It's cool, nobody here expects it anyway. That said, I can. I will put my word and experience on the block. I will certainly do what I can as my own experience with PCs are in the 100's as a user, consultant and installer. And in the spirit of self-expansion, product knowledge and transparency, my tests will be documented and complete. Video will be live and clear, neck and bridge and multiple magnets choices. I actually look forward to it (And looking forward to finding and buying the guitar to put them in LOL!) I am conscious of tone and I am working with a couple of great players in 2-3 months (one of them well known and truly amazing). I'll try to get them in on the playing if I can possibly get started that soon. 'In the right hands' means nothing to me. A pickup either works or not and the PCs work.


Cheers and respect,

RG

 

[blueman335]

Re: Phat Cats on a Epiphone SG

[statements like 'PU makers are all about the wind, and magnets are a minor consideration. For us end-users, it's the opposite.'.. It is brutally false. A minor consideration? Cmon bro. It demonstrates limited experience and there is nothing integral about it.

PU makers have certain magnets they're familiar with and like to work with. Many companies have just one (DiMarzio) or two (Gibson) alnicos in their HB line. It's only in the last few years that Duncan has reached out and used an A8, no doubt strongly influenced by all talk from the enthusiasts here who have experimented with them, and most recently they put an A3 in the Bonamassa set. In fact, there's a number of PU's in the Duncan line, either prodution or Custom Shop, that have come from ideas from this user's forum. Some of them have been simply different magnets in existing PU's (SH-11 and SH-14) that Duncan probably never tried themselves. The Brobucker was completely based on this forum's suggestions and is arguably one of the best HB's in Duncan's line. The new '59/Custom was a hybrid created by a user here and put into production. Duncan uses this forum as a free test bed for their PU's, and that's a very wise idea. We do far more testing and evaluating for the entire (and extensive) Duncan line than Duncan could ever afford to do themselves; thru all kinds of guitars, woods, and amps. We find strengths, weaknesses, and new applications in areas that Duncan may not have. This is a think tank.

Your image of Seymour and his company is wrong. He's not an all-knowing figure patting us little simpletons on the head and disregarding our ideas. He is a very humble man who cares a lot about the ideas and suggestions on this forum. Part of his product line and his success came from us. He knows all too well how intertwined the two are. I've worked for a dozen companies in my life, and none of them have made the perfect decision every time, and from what I've learned about other companies, it's the same everywhere worldwide. There's always things that could have been done differently, and better. Sometimes you suspect that upfront, sometimes it comes as a revelation down the road. Duncan is no different. Every decision and every product hasn't worked out to be the best one for them. It's not humanly possible. That's one of the reasons this forum exists. We have vital feedback on how his products are used once they're put in our nearly infinite assortment of guitars and amps. It's certainly not the case where he assumes everything they've made is perfect and end-users who say otherwise, or have suggestions for improvement, don't know what they're talking about. That's the diety-like image you, and the other guy I debated Phat Cats with, have of Seymour. How dare we question the great and powerful Oz! But he's more of a: 'I've got this new product, what do you guys think of it?" kind of guy. He wants our input. And that's why some of his top employees are regulars on this forum, participating in the conversations.

This forum isn't here just to heap praise on Seymour, deserving as he is, it's also to give him the good and bad of what we perceive of his products. If you spent more time here, you'd see a number of Duncan PU's talked about in some pretty unflattering terms, by many different members. Some of the threads and posts about JB's make anything I've said about Phat Cats look pretty mild. Any given PU isn't going to please everybody in every guitar, and that's regularly expressed here, not always in gentle terms. Seymour knows that, he wants to hear from us where his PU's work best and where they don't, and why. He doesn't want it sugar-coated. Tell him like it is. Overall, we have more insight about PU's than the average player, who often doesn't even know what PU's are in his guitar. No matter how good any PU is designed or manufactured, it's only successful if players like it and it sells well. It's important for Duncan to know what guitars his PU's end up in, and what we're doing with them. This forum is like those little cards you get with some products, that say 'Tell us what you think', only this forum is alive and responsive, and hundreds of times better than cards. We have discussions, we can explain things, we can teach others, we can brainstorm. And Duncan listens to all of it and uses a good portion of it.

Your assumptions on a number of things in this thread are clearly off-base, and that does nothing for your credibility. Considering that Duncan has already introduced PU's that are nothing more than an existing PU with a different magnet, suggested by users here, your rants against me suggesting different magnets for Phat Cats are ridiculous. As far as you being 'too busy' to spend much time here, welcome to the real world, the majority of us are too. We just make it a higher priority to help other members here, and bounce around ideas. Ideas, that it turns out, Seymour himself has incorporated many of into his products.

 

[DarkMatter]

Re: Phat Cats on a Epiphone SG

Stellar thread.

 

[Rodney Gene]

Re: Phat Cats on a Epiphone SG

Stellar thread.

:biglaugh:

PU makers have certain magnets they're familiar with and like to work with. Many companies have just one (DiMarzio) or two (Gibson) alnicos in their HB line. It's only in the last few years that Duncan has reached out and used an A8, no doubt strongly influenced by all talk from the enthusiasts here who have experimented with them, and most recently they put an A3 in the Bonamassa set. In fact, there's a number of PU's in the Duncan line, either prodution or Custom Shop, that have come from ideas from this user's forum. Some of them have been simply different magnets in existing PU's (SH-11 and SH-14) that Duncan probably never tried themselves. The Brobucker was completely based on this forum's suggestions and is arguably one of the best HB's in Duncan's line. The new '59/Custom was a hybrid created by a user here and put into production. Duncan uses this forum as a free test bed for their PU's, and that's a very wise idea. We do far more testing and evaluating for the entire (and extensive) Duncan line than Duncan could ever afford to do themselves; thru all kinds of guitars, woods, and amps. We find strengths, weaknesses, and new applications in areas that Duncan may not have. This is a think tank.

Your image of Seymour and his company is wrong. He's not an all-knowing figure patting us little simpletons on the head and disregarding our ideas. He is a very humble man who cares a lot about the ideas and suggestions on this forum. Part of his product line and his success came from us. He knows all too well how intertwined the two are. I've worked for a dozen companies in my life, and none of them have made the perfect decision every time, and from what I've learned about other companies, it's the same everywhere worldwide. There's always things that could have been done differently, and better. Sometimes you suspect that upfront, sometimes it comes as a revelation down the road. Duncan is no different. Every decision and every product hasn't worked out to be the best one for them. It's not humanly possible. That's one of the reasons this forum exists. We have vital feedback on how his products are used once they're put in our nearly infinite assortment of guitars and amps. It's certainly not the case where he assumes everything they've made is perfect and end-users who say otherwise, or have suggestions for improvement, don't know what they're talking about. That's the diety-like image you, and the other guy I debated Phat Cats with, have of Seymour. How dare we question the great and powerful Oz! But he's more of a: 'I've got this new product, what do you guys think of it?" kind of guy. He wants our input. And that's why some of his top employees are regulars on this forum, participating in the concersations.

This forum isn't here just to heap praise on Seymour, deserving as he is, it's also to give him the good and bad of what we perceive of his products. If you spent more time here, you'd see a number of Duncan PU's talked about in some pretty unflattering terms, by many different members. Some of the threads and posts about JB's make anything I've said about Phat Cats look pretty mild. Any given PU isn't going to please everybody in every guitar, and that's regularly expressed here, not always in gentle terms. Seymour knows that, he wants to hear from us where his PU's work best and where they don't, and why. He doesn't want it sugar-coated. Tell him like it is. Overall, we have more insight about PU's than the average player, who often doesn't even know what PU's are in his guitar. No matter how good any PU is designed or manufactured, it's only successful if players like it and it sells well. It's important for Duncan to what guitars his PU's end up in, and what we're doing with them. This forum is like those little cards you get with some products, that say 'Tell us what you think', only this forum is alive and responsive, and hundreds of times better than cards. we have discussions, we can explain things, we can teach others, we can brainstorm. And Duncan listens to all of it and uses a good portion of it.

Your assumptions on a number of things in this thread are clearly off-base, and that does nothing for your credibility. Considering that Duncan has already introduced PU's that are nothing more than an existing PU with a different magnet, suggested by users here, your rants against me suggesting different magnets for Phat Cats are ridiculous. As far as you being 'too busy' to spend much time here, welcome to the real world, the majority of us are too. We just make it a higher priority to help other members here, and bounce around ideas. Ideas, that it turns out, Seymour himself has incorporated many of into his products.

And... ^^^ that was not ^^^ LOL!

Once again you are operating and responding with limited information and it shows.

The virtuous 'doing it for the good of the company' response is a bit of a stretch. Regularly diminishing the company for the good of the company? 'Tough Love' is it? Haha.
You might consider there are more effective approaches, believe it or not.

As I said, this constant Duncan disrespect is coming to a close, it is inevitable. It is undignified even if you cannot see it yet.

Your analysis of my 'image' of Seymour Duncan and the company is a left fielder. LOL! I am not sure how you skewed that or crafted it from my post? No matter. Transparency leaves very little to twist around.

Apparently we have a different idea of support BM. I have supported, endorsed, cared about Duncan for many years. They are my friends and professional colleagues... Cathy, Kevin, Seymour, Evan et al have been mentors to me and inspiration to me. I have been the recipient of their generosity, friendship and support. Make no mistake about me honoring that loyalty here on this forum. These are very generous people BM and I value that. SD Fanboi? Damn FN straight. And Fan-man...and anything else.

You are right in that companies require feedback and this forum is a great place for that... I agree. I also agree that companies don't always get it right. They work it out and make changes through feedback. That is valid and important. And some of what you suggest, even if not taken from your personal experience is valid and useful. That is not in question here. Companies also need support and accurate information conveyed, not limited opinion and speculation or slander. You are often unable to discern where one ends and the other begins.

'Sacrificing' everything else worthwhile in your life' in order to be here and help us all out through-out the day is very noble of you. You are right if I 'cared' just a bit more about talking shop all day, I might not have a music career and a thriving business. And then maybe I could pitch in and do my part each day! LOL!

See BM, aside from revamping this forum so that it would be a niche place to be many years ago for guys like you to come, I was also commissioned by Seymour Duncan to create the entire online schematic library, this: http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/ from my head.

I had about 200+ sitting in my head at one point aside from 100's of customs done over the years for players and builders by request. Yep, see all those 'easy to read' clear colored wires and pots and stuff?...well that was one of my contributions to this craft. Schematics didn't used to be that way, they used to be challenging for us guitar nerds. Cool thing is years later it has become the industry standard now with many companies and Duncan has revamped their very nicely (I was commissioned by many companies for that change-over). So BM if you ever downloaded one from the SD site or countless others who copied us or if you have recommended it on the forum ...then you are welcome! LOL! They are used daily.

Oh and there is this: The Tone Wizard: http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/tone-wizard/ (Yep, that's me. And another one of my contributions out of my head onto the screen) This was my response to a need and request voiced by Cathy Duncan as I was leaving the company to pursue music full-time. I have word they are upgrading it and expanding it with the expertise of Scott Miller, the brilliant technical lead who took my place at SD. So we have that ahead of us.

So considering how many people use the TW everyday, I indirectly continue to 'recommend' a starting point pickup more than any person alive...basically. LOL! I'm sure many can find ways in which it is less than satisfactory, but that's cool, haters will hate. There is no complete solution so we just do our best. That's why Duncan has so much support in place. Speaking of which, just before my time, there was Matt Blackett another brilliant mind and guitar player who painstaking installed mind-boggling amount of pickups and scientifically recorded samples back when it was whole lot more effort...he is still contributing today. Even though time does not permit me to spend up to 10-12 hours a day as yourself, I do have a little bit to contribute each day in support of a great company...not to mention what I have in the works right now. BTW, all of this aside, I also play music professionally and produce other musicians professionally. That is no small matter to me. That is a skill set, commitment, investment, dedication and sacrifice unlike any other and offers yet another perspective from total mod nerd to player to producer. What does it all count for? Really nothing. But it does give me real-time perspectives and one of those is a deep respect for those who provide this great place.

I speak for many on this forum when I say its OK to be humble here on the forum. Its OK to give the company its due respect. Its OK to take the armchair expertise down a few notches and learn in the process. Or perhaps it is time for you to branch off on your own and design even one pickup yourself? It may provide perspective. It just may.

And for those of you who have PMd me...thanks, I appreciate you as well.

Cheers and respect,

RG

EDIT: Whew! That was a finger exercise!

 

[kilphody]

Re: Phat Cats on a Epiphone SG

I put the cats in my bird of fire. Went the A5- 8 combo.. yayada. Back to stock. They f'n scream as is.
PC

 

[Chickenwings]

Re: Phat Cats on a Epiphone SG

A lot of the things i have learned about guitar has come from listening to and talking with good players. I have also learned a lot from reading members posts here.
Talking and reading can teach us all a lot. However, i like to make sure the information is coming from a reliable source. I takes some time to trawl through the various conflicting opinions and that can slow the process down considerably. However, the longer you spend on a forum, the more easily you are able to read into people's posts and understand where they are coming from and their own personal preferences.

Playing guitar however is a great leveler. We all have ears and we can all pretty much instantaneously tell if someone sounds good or not. The opinions of a good player carry so much more credibility and weight that the opinions of someone who is not. I've enjoyed hearing Lew play in his blues band, I've enjoyed hearing TGWIF's clips from his gigs, I've enjoyed hearing Niels play, Twilight, JayBonitrane, Frank, Rodney Gene of course....and the list goes on...hell, even Aceman posts clips! All of whom put their money where their mouths are. None of them pretend that they are the fount of all knowledge. They are purely guitarists interested in the process of making sounds and are happy to share their journey with the rest of us. This is a community of guitarists. Seymour himself is a wonderful guitarist as we all know.
We are all interested in this stuff because we all play.

Without any form of a recording anywhere to listen to, I have no way of knowing if Blueman can actually play or not.

Given that he has given every excuse under the sun for not having a single recording in any format (especially from someone as internet savvy as he is) I have to assume that he really doesn't want anyone to hear him play. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out why.

Blueman:

We are all entitled to our opinions of course, but without any substance to back it up, then they are not worth a grain of sand. The more you type, the more louder your silence speaks.

14,000 posts and not a single recording from a gig, a jam or even sitting at home in the basement plunking on a ukelele. Don't hide behind the fact that its too difficult. You are computer savvy enough to do this. It doesn't have to be a masterpiece. Enough excuses.

Give the forum one recording, any recording in any format with any sound quality on any instrument.

 

[Chickenwings]

Re: Phat Cats on a Epiphone SG

Rodney:
:clap:

 

[blueman335]

Re: Phat Cats on a Epiphone SG

Since many are currently choosing little else which is self-evident and documented by the sheer post frequency...and since they (obviously) aren't players outside of the home or playing at hobbyist levels at best…

the all-day long poster / inexperienced player...

It only becomes a detriment when someone's self-important opinion…

No amount of 'self' important, self summary chatter can support...

'Sacrificing' everything else worthwhile in your life' in order to be here and help us all out through-out the day is very noble of you…

Even though time does not permit me to spend up to 10-12 hours a day as yourself…

This thread was a discussion of the tones and uses of a particular pickup. You decided that in order to make your point, you needed to make cutting remarks about me, assumptions as to when and where I play, how I spend my time, and my skill level as a guitarist. Nothing like staying on topic. In your mind, those assumptions and accusations were necessary to put me down and build yourself up. Nice that you took the high road.

You know, I've seen many posts by Fank, Evan, and other Duncan employees, and they have never insulted any members or made negative assumptions about member's personal lives. They've never tried to humiliate anyone here. They never brag or flaunt things. I can't imagine them talking to a customer like that in a public setting, especially the internet. With your association with Duncan, I doubt they would condone you doing it, especially directed at a member who owns dozens of Duncan PU's and has helped many forum members over the years. For someone who has gone in great (and unsolicited) detail about how important you are, it's surprisingly unprofessional.

 

[Chickenwings]

Re: Phat Cats on a Epiphone SG

This is what the thread was actually about:

greetings
So, i want to upgrade the factory pickups of my SG and i searched a lot about it. I think the Phat Cats are really great.
But, my question is: is the neck pickup different from the bridge one? Because there is only one type of Phat Cats on Seymour´s Duncan website.
Sorry if the question is stupid.

My cumpliments /m/

And it was answered courteously and succinctly in the first reply:

Welcome to the forum.

You can order either the neck or the bridge model Phat Cat.

The bridge Phat Cat has a bit more output (more resistance, more winds) than the neck PC.

Then it went AWOL after that. This was not a thread about the merits of a pickup, it was a simple and direct question that was answered simply and directly. It was you, Blueman, that derailed it by getting on your usual soapbox.

 

[blueman335]

Re: Phat Cats on a Epiphone SG

This was not a thread about the merits of a pickup, it was a simple and direct question that was answered simply and directly. It was you, Blueman, that derailed it by getting on your usual soapbox.

Yes, it was about the merit of a pickup, the OP was asking about differences between neck and bridge Phat Cats. I have some of both and feel as qualified as anyone to answer his question. As far as soap boxes, I wasn't the only one on one. I think someone else beat me on verbage, and certainly on extraneous information.

 

[GoldenVulture]

Re: Phat Cats on a Epiphone SG

The OP hasn't been back. Everything past post #2 is pretty much irrelevant.

BM your Explaining the Diff ended up saying get something else and change the magnets. Didn't really answer the question at all.

:sleeping:

 

[Rodney Gene]

Re: Phat Cats on a Epiphone SG

This thread was a discussion of the tones and uses of a particular pickup. You decided that in order to make your point, you needed to make cutting remarks about me, assumptions as to when and where I play, how I spend my time, and my skill level as a guitarist. Nothing like staying on topic. In your mind, those assumptions and accusations were necessary to put me down and build yourself up. Nice that you took the high road.

You know, I've seen many posts by Fank, Evan, and other Duncan employees, and they have never insulted any members or made negative assumptions about member's personal lives. They've never tried to humiliate anyone here. They never brag or flaunt things. I can't imagine them talking to a customer like that in a public setting, especially the internet. With your association with Duncan, I doubt they would condone you doing it, especially directed at a member who owns dozens of Duncan PU's and has helped many forum members over the years. For someone who has gone in great (and unsolicited) detail about how important you are, it's surprisingly unprofessional.

Nope, Sorry Blueman, your diversion tactics are played out. They aren't going to work here. A direct answer to the many questions would be appreciated instead.

You've simply been asked politely to chill out on the constant negative incomplete 'go buy another brand' this pickup is a poor choice as is' 'Duncan is on the back-burner 'response. Sorry if it doesn't feel warm and fuzzy but you aren't the only guest here. And while the thread went off-topic, that was done early on. I just stepped in to support the OPs desire for a great sounding Duncan PU which was a great choice and in doing so had to address the habitual negative 22 pickup rant of yours. The thread is clear bud.

Respectfully I am not Frank or Evan nor a Duncan employee but I am an equal member of this community, one I helped establish. 'Condone' my 'treatment' of you? Sorry, bud nice effort. I wonder if they 'condone' your insults of the company or condone you recommending another brand when someone asks about a Duncan? LOL! Send them a letter and voice your concern about my disrespect. If they ask me to leave, I will respectfully. And you?

As for my 'self importance'... the thread is self evident. A little glimpse into history put your 'predictable' assumptive words about me and my relation with 'Seymour' to rest. Again you spoke without knowledge. But you don't get to speak for me here Blueman. Not ever. You don't speak on behalf of this community as a whole either.

You wanted to 'compare' your generous contribution to my 'uncaring' lack of it. Sorry, not going to fly here either. You want to judge me, cool. If I can support my position with clear evidence, I will. Sorry if that is uncomfortable for you but I prefer documenation. I genuinely care about the forum and the company and my personal contributions are small pieces of evidence of that...and no amount of your word bending can change that.

I am sorry if this thread content makes you feel embarrassed. That's not for me to own nor my intent.
As I mentioned before, you have alot great qualities as a contributor. But the story doesn't start nor end with you. Re-read the thread, lots of opportunities and alot of support for you.

Cheers and respect,

RG

 

[bluesbend]

Re: Phat Cats on a Epiphone SG

To the OP,
I have Phat Cats in two of my guitars.
Guitar 1 is an alder Tele body, maple neck rosewood fretboard with a Phat Cat at the bridge and neck which I built. This guitar will take the fkkn top of your head off with the it's excellence in tonal quality.

Guitar 2 is a Hamer "Slammer". It looks like a DC Les Paul. I'm guessing the body is Basswood. I have a Phat Cat at the bridge of this guitar with a Gibson 496 at the neck. The Phat Cat bridge pickup on both of these guitars never sound "thin". My guitars have a "tone" control and all I do is roll it back 1/4 to 1/3 and I'm there.
These pickup's were meant to be P90 "like" pickups that would fit in a humbucking slot.
These are not P90 pickups!
They are Phat Cats!!!

If I was to buy an Epi SG and I wanted something different for it, the first thing I would do is buy a set of Phat Cats.






The rest of you mag swapping cork sniffers should spend more time playing your guitars and less time fkking them up.

If I had an Epi SG

 

[Little Pigbacon]

Re: Phat Cats on a Epiphone SG

The absolute last thing in the world I'd want to do is go and listen to clips of anyone I'm have an online disagreement with. Certainly you have better things to do.

I've often wished I could do this, just so I could hear what the other person was talking about. Sometimes arguing is less about being right that it is about getting closer to the truth. I've learned a lot from people I originally thought were wrong but who ended up helping me see something I didn't understand before.

 

[Dr. Vegetable]

Re: Phat Cats on a Epiphone SG

@Blueman: So you've swapped magnets out of every Phat Cat you've ever owned. We get that.

One question for you: How many pickups have you ever owned that you didn't feel the compulsion to swap the magnets out of?

 

[dr. ad]

Re: Phat Cats on a Epiphone SG

i love everything about 'radio outlaw', really enjoyed that tune
thanks for the download RG : ]

 

[Aceman]

Re: Phat Cats on a Epiphone SG

I sent a transcript of this thread to George TAkei, long time Phat Cat user. Here was his response....