Pickup and Sound Personal Revelation

Shadow78

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Hello All,

While I'm certainly not new to this forum, this is my first post. After a session of frustrating playing and disappointing sound, I've had a revelation. I literally went through all my guitars, especially those which are my favorites and found all of them sounding like total garbage today...I know it's not the wiring or the amp or anything. New strings, new tubes, the whole nine yards. It was just one of those days where nothing sounded right...until I got to one guitar in particular. :disappoin

I was playing my Fender Double Fat Strat with the Pearly Gates Plus and '59 neck. I've recently taken the EMG's out of it and went back to those pickups to have a more versatile set up. My amp is a Mesa F-50 and it's thick and hot. I've always been one to play hotter pickups, being of the mindset that they work better for me...now I'm really not so sure! This guitar was thick and growling, but the distortion was so much smoother and richer and I had so much more control over my tone. It was so much closer to the tone I have in my head. After playing my other guitars which have much hotter pickups in them, I found I just didn't like the tone any more. The hotter pickups sounded really harsh in the mids and high end and sludgy. I couldn't get them to sound right.

Here's question one...Am I just nuts? Or, have I actually had a tonal epiphany? I mean...I hadn't played the PGP+ and the RWRP '59 neck since 2001 or so when I changed the pickups for EMG's...It was an idea I was throwing around in my head...why not try pickups with less output...give different magnets a try than what I was used to...I actually enjoy lower output pickups more! Now, I feel I'm closer to what I hear in my head.

Next, I'd love suggestions as to what pickups, Duncan or otherwise, would suit my tastes. I'm running a hotter amp and I play a wide variety of styles, from blues and jazzier stuff to Progressive styles and hard rock. So, versatility is really important. I find I like a woodier tone, where I can hear the wood of the guitars I'm playing. I like a fatter Bridge sound that can be dialed in to be tight if needed, but has midrange to it. I, personally, enjoy a smoother distortion and a honky, fat PAF vibe. I like some honk in the midrange to give single notes a singing quality. I also love a good growl to a pickup too. I don't know if such a pickup exists, but the PGP+ comes so much closer to it. I don't like the more focused, scooped sounding mids of that pickup and would prefer more mids and even a spongier bottom end.

As far as the neck pickup goes, the '59 sounds better in my strat than in my Les Paul. I prefer a more open, throatier pickup than smooth and polite. The scooped mids bugs me. I like them warm, woody, with a sparkling high end...just a more open, throaty, perhaps single coil-ish tone. Ruder in the mids I guess is the best way I can describe it.

I'm open to suggestions, as all of what I'm used to is totally turned around on its head! I'm open to trying more pickups with say Alnico 2 or 5. I don't really have the ability to swap mags out myself at the moment. Any other thoughts is much appreciated. Is the lower output approach a better way to go? From what I'm hearing with this amp, it really seems closer to what I'm trying to get.

My Double Fat strat is what I'm looking at changing first, it's a hard tail, alder with rosewood fingerboard. The next guitar is my PRS SE Custom 24, which is mahogany with a maple top and set maple neck and rosewood fretboard...that one has the PRS trem on it. Thanks everyone for your help. Sorry this is so long...
 
Re: Pickup and Sound Personal Revelation

You aren't the first to want to tone down on the output of pickups after playing high output ones for so long.

I'd suggest you give the Whole lotta humbucker set a try and also give the PATB-3 blues model a try.
 
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You aren't the first to want to tone down on the output of pickups after playing high output ones for so long.

I'd suggest you give the Whole lotta humbucker set a try and also give the PATB-3 blues model a try.


Thanks for your input! Those were two I was interested in myself...next, I'd have to do all my other guitars! I think that's my vice! It seems like I'm going...'ooh! more pickups!' all the time now...
 
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+1 on the WHL set.
If you don't mind DMZ, the 36 Anniversary set is a good PAF set.
Both sets are in SG standards. The WLH seems more compressed to me with higher gain, while the 36 set seems more open.
 
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This discovery is always refreshing, no matter what the skill level.

Deciding to go with clarity rather than output is a sign of improvement in skill as well. The better you play, the less you need to hide.

I'm a 2 humbucker per guitar kind of guy and also prefer a glassy, tubular, stratty neck pickup tone, so you hit the nail on the head. The '59 is one of the best pickups in that regard. In my 24 fret guitars, due to the harmonic adjustment, I go with a Classic Stack. I find the two pickups remarkably similar.

You'll discover later on with high gain amps to focus their power band.

Here's a trick a lot of Djent players use:
1) Pick your high gain amp of choice (My favorites are Mesa Dual Rectifier for thrash metal, Engl Fireball for hair metal)
2) Lower your gain a few notches below what you usually set it at.
3) Stick your choice of Tube Screamer in front of the preamp. Only - make the gain super low. Use the pedal strictly as a signal boost and not an overdrive.
4) Stick your choice of Noise Suppression in front and adjust accordingly.

It's the same idea as what made Dallas Rangemasters so popular in the day of vintage Marshall and Vox amps. Tighten the signal without losing clarity.

*Also, if honky PAF tones are what you desire and a Strat is what you play, you need to try a Parallel Axis Blues Saraceno. That is THE tone the pickup was designed to deliver. Tight, vintage, twangy, singing tone. I'll have a used one for sale in the classifieds soon.
 
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Only thing about "boosting" or "Goosing" is that with a tube screamer yes you tighten up the bottom end but your mids can become cloudy if not EQ'd right. I'm not a fan of it but it works for many people.
 
Re: Pickup and Sound Personal Revelation

This discovery is always refreshing, no matter what the skill level.

Deciding to go with clarity rather than output is a sign of improvement in skill as well. The better you play, the less you need to hide.

I'm a 2 humbucker per guitar kind of guy and also prefer a glassy, tubular, stratty neck pickup tone, so you hit the nail on the head. The '59 is one of the best pickups in that regard. In my 24 fret guitars, due to the harmonic adjustment, I go with a Classic Stack. I find the two pickups remarkably similar.

You'll discover later on with high gain amps to focus their power band.

Here's a trick a lot of Djent players use:
1) Pick your high gain amp of choice (My favorites are Mesa Dual Rectifier for thrash metal, Engl Fireball for hair metal)
2) Lower your gain a few notches below what you usually set it at.
3) Stick your choice of Tube Screamer in front of the preamp. Only - make the gain super low. Use the pedal strictly as a signal boost and not an overdrive.
4) Stick your choice of Noise Suppression in front and adjust accordingly.

It's the same idea as what made Dallas Rangemasters so popular in the day of vintage Marshall and Vox amps. Tighten the signal without losing clarity.

*Also, if honky PAF tones are what you desire and a Strat is what you play, you need to try a Parallel Axis Blues Saraceno. That is THE tone the pickup was designed to deliver. Tight, vintage, twangy, singing tone. I'll have a used one for sale in the classifieds soon.

How much would you let that PATB-3 go for or would you be open to trade?
 
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...Next, I'd love suggestions as to what pickups, Duncan or otherwise, would suit my tastes. ...versatility is really important. I find I like a woodier tone, where I can hear the wood of the guitars I'm playing. I like a fatter Bridge sound that can be dialed in to be tight if needed, but has midrange to it. I, personally, enjoy a smoother distortion and a honky, fat PAF vibe. I like some honk in the midrange to give single notes a singing quality. I also love a good growl to a pickup too.

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As far as the neck pickup goes, the '59 sounds better in my strat than in my Les Paul. I prefer a more open, throatier pickup than smooth and polite. The scooped mids bugs me. I like them warm, woody, with a sparkling high end...just a more open, throaty, perhaps single coil-ish tone. Ruder in the mids I guess is the best way I can describe it.

Bridge pickup you've described the seth lover... I want to recommend pearly gates but the seth is smoother and being unpotted has a very honky quality to it.

Neck pickup, again the closest to what you want (and I feel as though you'd like a true single coil better) is probably a seth lover... Really because they're unpotted they have way more treble than any potted pickup I've tried (exception being the pearly gates, IDK how Seymour gets such a satisfying spectrum of sound from a single pickup) but it isn't "present" like the PG. For that throaty strat sound I'd (eventually) recommend A3.

I know you can't swap magnets but IMO a3 and a4 are the two best in the neck. A3 is closest to a single coil, with low output but tight bass and bright. A4 is smooth like silk but with very nice bass and well balanced. It really depends on what you're after - for the best humbucker-type sounds in the neck A4 all the way, but if you want a little single coil sparkle then a3 is what you want.

But, for an off the shelf pickup, I would recommend a seth. Maybe a P-Rails if you didn't have such an aversion to high output pickups (it really doesn't act like a typical high-output ordeal though.)
 
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