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Mr.Doh

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Hi there. First time poster here :D Anyway, i got a question, i really appreciate if anyone could help :D I am buying a discontinued and on sale Epiphone Les Paul Nightfall. Its specs are:

Body mahogany
Neck Hard maple, Hand-set,
Scale 24.75”
Fingerboard rosewood with inlay on 12th fret
Fingerboard Radius 12”
Nut Width 1.68”
Pickups EMG HZ-4, HZ-4A
Controls Neck Volume, Neck Tone, Bridge Volume, Bridge Tone
Tailpiece Floyd Rose Special
Machine Heads Grover®

As you can see, quite a good guitar spec wise. However, i'd like to switch the pickup to something else. I already have an ESP LTD V300 fitted with EMG 85 on the bridge and 81 on the neck, so something else non-EMG would be nice. I mainly play metal, prefer my tone to have a beefy but tight low end, throaty mid and soaring high (basically, just do everything well enough) but also it need to be articulate, versatile and can clean up when not in hi gain mode. Currently i have two option, either buy a Bill Lawrence L500XL as a bridge and maybe a 59 or a JB on the neck (the cheap option) or i could buy a set of Black Winter (the more expensive option). What should i choose? Is there any other set or pick up i should look at instead?

Thanks :D
 
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Archer250 said:
Nice mids, highs, articulation, gain... basically, you want a Full Shred set?
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I am unimpressed from what i've heard with the Full Shred, compare to Black Winter, for example. But maybe i should take a look at them again. Thanks :D
 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryzie8mham8

While the scale length is indeed different, this body wood is the same. This will give you and idea of what different pickups sound. The problem is "metal" is too wide a genre to generalize. There's power metal, neoclassical metal, NWOBHM, glam, thrash, speed, doom, sludge, stoner, death, black, and various variants and crossover nonsense.
 
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Archer250 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryzie8mham8

While the scale length is indeed different, this body wood is the same. This will give you and idea of what different pickups sound. The problem is "metal" is too wide a genre to generalize. There's power metal, neoclassical metal, NWOBHM, glam, thrash, speed, doom, sludge, stoner, death, black, and various variants and crossover nonsense.
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Ah, my genres are thrash, death, black, deathcore and groove. And sometimes i like to try various other genre hence the need to be able to play clean and articulate

Rockstar216 said:
I say go ahead with that L500. I'm referring to the Bill and Becky version just to clarify.
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Any neck pickup you'd recommend with that?
 
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Ah thanks. So it is either the Bill Lawrence set or the Black Winter set. Anyone have both? How's the Black Winter stack up against Bill Lawrence's ?
 
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I have both. I like the Black Winter better. I can't exactly quantify why. The BW set seems to just be more enjoyable for me to play. You will not go wrong with either, but IME, the Wilde l500xl can be picky. I also despise the BLUSA version. It sounds very hollow and thin comparatively.
 
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Gibson 1964 said:
I have both. I like the Black Winter better. I can't exactly quantify why. The BW set seems to just be more enjoyable for me to play. You will not go wrong with either, but IME, the Wilde l500xl can be picky. I also despise the BLUSA version. It sounds very hollow and thin comparatively.
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From my research the BL is very sensitive to playing and woods and such so it can be a pain in the ass if the guitar is not good or the playing is not tight then it can be a real *****. I am still a sort if beginner so idk if i can handle it lol. But it is a powerful pickup though (and cheap, too).

As for the BW, does it have a signature "voicing"? While it does seem to be even across, it sounded like its sound is purposely saturated in the style of black metal.
 
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Yeah, sometimes a good-sounding set requires a good-sounding player. This is why I use a JB/Jazz set: to improve my dynamics and technique.
 
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Hmm, decision. I am based in Australia, so i got really strangled by price. Over here a set of Black Winter is 250+ dollars in Ebay Australia, which compare to the 179 US dollars in Amazon even taking the currency into account is nothing short of robbery. While with the Bill Lawrence Wilde L500XL and L500R only cost 120 US dollars (not taking into account shipping) which is about 127 Australian dollars. Hmm. For the best bang for the buck factor, would you guys choose the L500 set over the BW set? That's the choice i am learning at.
 
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Mr.Doh said:
Hmm, decision. I am based in Australia, so i got really strangled by price. Over here a set of Black Winter is 250+ dollars in Ebay Australia, which compare to the 179 US dollars in Amazon even taking the currency into account is nothing short of robbery. While with the Bill Lawrence Wilde L500XL and L500R only cost 120 US dollars (not taking into account shipping) which is about 127 Australian dollars. Hmm. For the best bang for the buck factor, would you guys choose the L500 set over the BW set? That's the choice i am learning at.
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250+ vs 120? No brainer.
 
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Mr.Doh said:
Hmm, decision. I am based in Australia, so i got really strangled by price. Over here a set of Black Winter is 250+ dollars in Ebay Australia, which compare to the 179 US dollars in Amazon even taking the currency into account is nothing short of robbery. While with the Bill Lawrence Wilde L500XL and L500R only cost 120 US dollars (not taking into account shipping) which is about 127 Australian dollars. Hmm. For the best bang for the buck factor, would you guys choose the L500 set over the BW set? That's the choice i am learning at.
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If you buy from the US to Australia you do not get the SD 21 day exchange policy, and you have no warranty. If you buy it from where I work, Artist Guitars, you get the SD 21 day exchange policy, warranty, and the Artist Guitars 3 month refund policy, no questions asked.

http://www.artistguitars.com.au/buy/seymour-duncan-pickup-black-winter-set-black/12097

Ours is $249 AUD, but there is a reason why they are more expensive than the US, freight, duty.


On Ebay, Squid Music advertise cheap 'free international shipping', but the shipping is not tracked or insured, if the item is lost or damaged your screwed. They claim free world shipping, but trust me they are not being honest. When I ordered my custom shop SD bridge pickup, the freight was $30.00USD ... Just 1 pickup. Its the cubic size that is charged and a set is DOUBLE the cubic size of a single pickup. Are you willing to risk saving $70 on a $200 set of pickups????? You also may have to pay import duty if customs deem it so, they don't check every parcel from the US, but they do occasionally charge the recipient the tax.

So, it's up to you.
 
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black winters for sure...even at extreme gain levels you can still hear each string independently...bass and treble are very even and the mids cut through like a razor
 
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