Pickup Magnet Questions

po-boy

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i have been reading posts relating to pickup magnets and how they affect the character of your overall tone -

the more i read the more confused i get ... some guys seem to prefer brighter mags in the neck position and warmer mags in the bridge, especially fender type guys ... other guys prefer the same mag in both positions ... and i have noticed most 'calibrated sets' of pickups for gibson types have warmer mags in the neck and brighter mags in the bridge -

is this due to types of wood... construction (set-neck vs bolt on) ... different scale length ... or just personal preference ? is this one of those times that only trial and error will answer ? i know that there are a lot of other variables to consider and would like a few general guidelines to help me along the way -

thanks all -
 
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po-boy said:
is this due to types of wood... construction (set-neck vs bolt on) ... different scale length ... or just personal preference ? is this one of those times that only trial and error will answer ? i know that there are a lot of other variables to consider and would like a few general guidelines to help me along the way -

Yes to all of the above. There is no "right" magnet for this or that position. There are so-so-so many variables before you even bring in personal taste. To make it even more complicated, the same magnet can sound very different depending on how fully or partially charged it is, though the closer you get to fully charged, the brighter the magnet. For one example, a fully charged A5 is all full of pi$$ and vinegar in the upper mids and treble with big bass but thin mids -- but it becomes remarkably smooth and warm when you degauss it a bit.
 
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roger that ...

seems like the more i read the more i realize i don't know -

i did play a similar guitar recently thru a similar amp and loved the tone of the bridge pup - so there is a little light at the end of the tunnel ... now if could just nail that neck pup !!!

thanks again...
 
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i have been reading posts relating to pickup magnets and how they affect the character of your overall tone - the more i read the more confused i get ... some guys seem to prefer brighter mags in the neck position and warmer mags in the bridge, especially fender type guys ... other guys prefer the same mag in both positions ... and i have noticed most 'calibrated sets' of pickups for gibson types have warmer mags in the neck and brighter mags in the bridge

From teh odl threads, you get an idea of what each magnets EQ & output
 
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i have been reading posts relating to pickup magnets and how they affect the character of your overall tone - the more i read the more confused i get ... some guys seem to prefer brighter mags in the neck position and warmer mags in the bridge, especially fender type guys ... other guys prefer the same mag in both positions ... and i have noticed most 'calibrated sets' of pickups for gibson types have warmer mags in the neck and brighter mags in the bridge

From the old threads, you get an idea of what each magnet's EQ & output is. Take notes on that. How they react on different guitars is subjective, especially since these people play so many styles of music on so many kinds of guitars. Now...what kind of music do you play? Blues & classic rock guys (like me) like a limited amount of effects and prefer the warmth of alnico magnets. Metal heads love massive distortion & effects, so they usually prefer ceramics & active PU's as they're bright & sterile, making them cut through better. These are not absolutes, but general guidelines.

If you have Asian PU's yank them as they're junk; doesn't matter what the brand is, they are muddy & you're wasting your time with them. Get a set of American-made PU's in the ohms range that you want (neck usually 7,500 to 8,500 ohms to avoid darkness & woofiness - bridge can be from 8,000 to 16,000+ ohms; generally the higher the ohms the more mids & less treble). From there you can tweak the EQ with magnets if the ones in it don't give you the desired sound. Every piece of wood is different. From your notes, you can see which direction each magnet will take you. Need lots of mids & rounded highs, use an A2. Need a little more sparkle, go with an A3. Need a balanced EQ, A4. Bright with scooped mids, A5. High output like a ceramic but with more warmth, A8. This is easy. Get a few of each, and experiment. You'll learn very quickly which ones work best for you, and you'll soon be as opinionated as they rest of us.

Here's an example of magnet swapping: I sometimes pull the A5's from bridge PU's (when they're too bright) & put in A4's for more mids & warmth. A3's are low output, so I'm not a big fan of them in bridge PU's, but some guys love them. Depends on you guitar & music style. A2's usually work better in a bridge PU as the low end can be loose & flabby, which is accentuated on a neck PU.

In the neck, I always end up pulling the A2's out of any Gibson PU's, as they add darkness to a dark position (but they can work well on bright wood, just not my LP's, SG's, & 335's). In their place I usually put in A5's. On brighter guitars I occasionally use an A3 or A4 in the neck. My goal is a bright neck & a warm bridge so that I can use one amp EQ setting that sounds great for both PU's (they're not total opposites in tone). Whatever you choose, make sure that Both PU's sound good, so you don't end up playing just one, like many guys do.

Now other guys have their own magnet preferences. But you get the idea. Think about what you want to change about each PU's tone, and what magnet will get you closer to your goal. None us knew anything when we started. To quote an old post "Tone is a journey, not a destination."
 
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Each magnet has common characteristics, and which magnet to swap to (or whether to swap at all) is totally dependent on how the pickup sounds to you. For instance, if you have a pickup with an A5 magnet but think that the tone is too scooped, you might swap it with an A4 to get a more even response. Or if you want to soften the tone and add more "bloom" and overtones, you would probably want to try an A2.
 
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i'm into blues and classic rock ... simple set up with a couple of G&Ls ... a legacy with singles and an invader with buckers ... effects in a box in the closet because i now prefer to play straight into a small tube amp ... the invader buckers are crappy distortion pups that are in need of replacing ... thought replacing them would be simple but the choices are almost overwhelming ... thats why i came here for advice ... have settled on warmer A2 pup in the bridge and maybe little brighter A5 in the neck with both in the low moderate range 8k to 9k... have gotten advice from others to also consider A4 in the neck pup ... just depends on who i talk to ...
 
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oh yea ... i'm setting the invader up for slide playing ... it has 12 deg fretboard radius which is much more slide friendly than the vintage 7.5 deg radius the legacy has... legacy is older model with 3-bolt neck and the invader is 2006 model ... thats why i started looking at A2 buckers for slide but a lot of guys really like 59n with A5 for slide ...
 
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Invaders are too hot for what you're looking for. I recommend Alnico 2 Pro set, or Seths, or Antiquities.
 
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invader is G&L model guitar - think fender double fat strat - G&L says these pickups are A5s - one is wound with 43 awg and one with 42 awg - no info on dc resistance but they sound like crappy high distortion types in my setup - thats why i've been looking for pups in the 8k - 9k range - started reading about 'hybrid pickups' in this forum and my head started hurting...
 
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The 43 one is your bridge and is probably around 14k. Your neck pu is very likely between 7.5-8.5k so try that one in the bridge for giggles and grins.
 
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i'm into blues and classic rock the invader buckers are crappy distortion pups that are in need of replacing ... thought replacing them would be simple but the choices are almost overwhelming ... thats why i came here for advice ... have settled on warmer A2 pup in the bridge and maybe little brighter A5 in the neck with both in the low moderate range 8k to 9k... have gotten advice from others to also consider A4 in the neck pup ... just depends on who i talk to ...

From a fellow Blues/Classic Rock guy: An A5 makes a neck PU very usable for chords & solos. Probably the best neck magnet for many guitars, although A2's, A3's, & A4's have their fans too. I like some sparkle & a little bite from a neck, so its not too thick & dark. If your wood is brighter (maple), A2's & A3's could be the best choice. In mahogany they can be dull & dark, for some people, and the A2's loose low end is more prominent. All depends on how your wood reacts tonally.

In a bridge, A5's or A4's are probably the two best overall choices, at least for bite and sizzle in solos. If you're unsure about which to use, get some of both & try it out. Don't forget the A2 which has rounded highs, and gives a smoother, mellower tone; that could work with your wood. What I like about A4's is that they have the bite & sizzle I like (especially on a PAF type PU), & still have some mids for a full sound. Again, in a bright wood A2's & A3's may be ideal. You're combining variables and narrowing the focus.

I think you instincts are good about the 8,000 to 9,000 ohms. You could even go to 7,500 in the neck for a little more brightness. That position is powerful & bassy, so a PU with fewer windings compliments that nicely. If the bridge is still too bright, try one or two 250K pots. 500K's are really mandatory for neck HB's.

You have 4 kinds of popular alnicos that are all viable choices for both positions, and each has their supporters. We can't decide for you. Just take the ideas we toss around and you have a starting point for your tweaking.
 
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the invader is alder body with maple/rosewood neck ... i've heard that this combo is in the middle in terms of wood tone ... not as dark as mahogany and not as bright as swamp ash ... the upgraded version of this guitar from G&L has sd 59n and jb-tb ... i like the 59n fine but not the high output jb for slide ... have been looking at A2 in bridge ... hope to get off the bench soon and get in the game !
 
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I don't know what I prefer yet. However, I've owned Alnico V and Alnico II pickups. I love my Lite Ash Strat (three A2P staggered single coils) to death, and the tone it has. My showmaster is cool, more modern in sound (all Alnico V magnets: '59 and PG+), but the PG+ is still surprisingly middy, especially in that guitar (basswood). Still, vintage alnico II tone is SO addictive. It's got that awesome tone that I could just sit and listen to forever, sort of like some Flowmaster 40 series on a V8 engine.

I'll try some ceramics some day, but from the few I've played in music stores (Invader mainly), I'm not really into them.
 
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I like the combination of A5 in the bridge for rock and distortion and A2 in the neck for more clean applications and that really nice, genuine vibe. +1 on A2's addictive qualities. A really sweet tone.
 
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I like the combination of A5 in the bridge for rock and distortion and A2 in the neck for more clean applications and that really nice, genuine vibe. +1 on A2's addictive qualities. A really sweet tone.

I can see why. I prefer Alnico V for the bridge, and so I rarely use the bridge pickup alone on my strat, so +1 to that.
 
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I have to agree about A2, A distorted A2 bridge pickup just sounds 'right' to my ears.
 
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