Chris Pile
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Re: Pickup placement
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http://www.cigarboxnation.com/m/photo?id=2592684:Photo:2291745
These should be shrunk to about 44 mm along the long side to function as neck-mounted pickups for a guitar the size of my strat.
It should be doable. They are not bad pickups, though there are few demonstrations available. However, if i'm looking at it correctly this pickup is even wider than my strat single coils. Almost 80 mm is my estimation from just knowing what must be the short side at 32 mm.
An alternative would be to widen the neck in order to accomodate for more normal sized pickups. This could even be a feature in itself to some players, with extended vibrato ranges for the top and bottom strings. The common trade-off between fretboard space and small gripping size isn't carved in stone.
http://www.cigarboxnation.com/m/photo?id=2592684:Photo:2291745
These should be shrunk to about 44 mm along the long side to function as neck-mounted pickups for a guitar the size of my strat.
It should be doable. They are not bad pickups, though there are few demonstrations available. However, if i'm looking at it correctly this pickup is even wider than my strat single coils. Almost 80 mm is my estimation from just knowing what must be the short side at 32 mm.
An alternative would be to widen the neck in order to accomodate for more normal sized pickups. This could even be a feature in itself to some players, with extended vibrato ranges for the top and bottom strings. The common trade-off between fretboard space and small gripping size isn't carved in stone.
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Jacew
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Well, for one thing guitar is extremely unfit instrument to achieve what you're proposing here.
What exactly are you trying to achieve with that design that cannot be done in sensible way? Three pickups parallel already sounds mushy, and strat neck pickup is on the edge of being usable already? What's gain with yet another pickup further up the neck?
Well, for one thing guitar is extremely unfit instrument to achieve what you're proposing here.
What exactly are you trying to achieve with that design that cannot be done in sensible way? Three pickups parallel already sounds mushy, and strat neck pickup is on the edge of being usable already? What's gain with yet another pickup further up the neck?
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Why not build a system that can sense a string across the entire length? You would be able to pick certain 'points' and send that to a switch. Who says a pickup has to be straight across the strings? Actually, the Variax and some Boss units can sort of do this virtually. As far as making hardware that does it, that might be harder.
Why not build a system that can sense a string across the entire length? You would be able to pick certain 'points' and send that to a switch. Who says a pickup has to be straight across the strings? Actually, the Variax and some Boss units can sort of do this virtually. As far as making hardware that does it, that might be harder.
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We disagree. I love the strat neck pickup. Any sound is usable. What i want is simply pickups to cover the full range of fundamental nodes, i.e starting at the open string fundamental which is the octave, and going all the way to the bridge.
While using many pickups at once would certainly be possible, it's not the purpose.
We disagree. I love the strat neck pickup. Any sound is usable. What i want is simply pickups to cover the full range of fundamental nodes, i.e starting at the open string fundamental which is the octave, and going all the way to the bridge.
While using many pickups at once would certainly be possible, it's not the purpose.
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Jacew
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I like strat neck pickup too. I'm just skeptical you would find much usable difference in tone of those pickups.
I like strat neck pickup too. I'm just skeptical you would find much usable difference in tone of those pickups.
Chistopher
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This is slightly late in the conversation, but a lot of people on this thread mentioned how the neck pickup sounds like it does because of the magic location right under the 24th harmonic node. This is simply not true, as the harmonic nodes change when a note is fretted.
But I always thought was interesting is that on a lot guitars there is a point where the neck and the bridge are in the same position. For example, if you had two Customs in a Les Paul set to the same height and fretted a note on the 24th fret, the only tonal differences you get between the neck and bridge pickup would be the mechanical tolerances.
This is slightly late in the conversation, but a lot of people on this thread mentioned how the neck pickup sounds like it does because of the magic location right under the 24th harmonic node. This is simply not true, as the harmonic nodes change when a note is fretted.
But I always thought was interesting is that on a lot guitars there is a point where the neck and the bridge are in the same position. For example, if you had two Customs in a Les Paul set to the same height and fretted a note on the 24th fret, the only tonal differences you get between the neck and bridge pickup would be the mechanical tolerances.
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Great suggestion. This could be done without even having to build anything besides mounting and connecting electronics.
Great suggestion. This could be done without even having to build anything besides mounting and connecting electronics.
Jacew
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Very good point. So I wonder if there's some "magic" points on fretboard where octave is right above certain pickup. Can it be found by ear? Or is it just a myth...
Very good point. So I wonder if there's some "magic" points on fretboard where octave is right above certain pickup. Can it be found by ear? Or is it just a myth...
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But even with any fretted note making this supposed 'mythical' octave position irrelevant, the movement of the neck pickup even to the SG/24 fret location immediately makes it less flutey and attractive for practically everyone into neck pickup tone. And this is with fretted notes too.
So I think its more about the position in relation to scale length than anything else.
But even with any fretted note making this supposed 'mythical' octave position irrelevant, the movement of the neck pickup even to the SG/24 fret location immediately makes it less flutey and attractive for practically everyone into neck pickup tone. And this is with fretted notes too.
So I think its more about the position in relation to scale length than anything else.
eclecticsynergy
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Re: Pickup placement
The problem, as I see it, is that the strings are fretted during play. 12th fret is the midpoint for an open string only. The pickup's placement relative to the center of the vibrating section would change drastically as you play up the neck, and a 12th fret pickup would be completely useless for notes played above the 12th fret.
Ever notice how a neck pickup's tone becomes somewhat brighter for notes played way up high? It's because the pickup is now much closer to the endpoint on the active portion of string. With conventional placement this becomes sort of an advantage on high notes. But you wouldn't want the same effect to come into play when you're playing at the ninth or tenth fret.
The problem, as I see it, is that the strings are fretted during play. 12th fret is the midpoint for an open string only. The pickup's placement relative to the center of the vibrating section would change drastically as you play up the neck, and a 12th fret pickup would be completely useless for notes played above the 12th fret.
Ever notice how a neck pickup's tone becomes somewhat brighter for notes played way up high? It's because the pickup is now much closer to the endpoint on the active portion of string. With conventional placement this becomes sort of an advantage on high notes. But you wouldn't want the same effect to come into play when you're playing at the ninth or tenth fret.
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Now why you dragging common sense into this discussion? lol
Now why you dragging common sense into this discussion? lol
