Pickups don't matter?
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Aceman
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So - to be clear, we are talking about metal tone levels here...
But yeah, this makes sense.
1. Take a guitar with whatever EQ curve
2. Put the resonance through whatever pickup
3. Pickup adjusts that frequency response by cutting mids, boosting highs, or whatever
4. New EQ curve hits preamp
Then jack the gain up until EVERY frequency hits the ceiling, totally hard clipped and there is none more left to go....so yeah, maxed out frequency response is fairly flat with at best, only minor undetectable except to dog ears variation that is more a factor of the gain itself than the frequency curve...
5. Every pickup sounds the same. For playing Uber-gained out metal.
So to change the tone, you need post preamp EQ or Speakers - which change the frequency response.
But yeah, this makes sense.
1. Take a guitar with whatever EQ curve
2. Put the resonance through whatever pickup
3. Pickup adjusts that frequency response by cutting mids, boosting highs, or whatever
4. New EQ curve hits preamp
Then jack the gain up until EVERY frequency hits the ceiling, totally hard clipped and there is none more left to go....so yeah, maxed out frequency response is fairly flat with at best, only minor undetectable except to dog ears variation that is more a factor of the gain itself than the frequency curve...
5. Every pickup sounds the same. For playing Uber-gained out metal.
So to change the tone, you need post preamp EQ or Speakers - which change the frequency response.
Securb
One of Jerry's Kids
I find better pickups give me better touch sensitivity; crappy pickups feel flat. Therefore, the EQ is not the only difference between pickups when playing clean of high gain. Interesting video, but I think Glenn has a myopic view on the function of the pickups and styles of music.
soulforger
Active member
For the type of sound he is using there, the differences are less obvious, especially when using amp modelling, but still there. The Custom 5 in the Solar stood out to me pretty significantly. When using good old fashioned tube amps and less than super saturated gain levels however, the differences in pickups most definitely make a difference, in both sound and feel. I doubt this dude's opinion on the matter will make a bit of difference to Seymour or Larry D, or anyone else who makes great pickups!
GuitarStv
Sock Market Trader
Yep. No surprises there.
If I take my fuzz pedal and crank it, then send it to my distortion box and crank it, then send it to by Blues Driver and crank it . . . all pickups come out sounding pretty much the same!
A pickup is an early EQ applied to the guitar signal. When you get to the point where there's no dynamic range, and all the frequencies are being hella compressed the only EQ that matters is the final EQ the noise is put through . . . which in this case would be speakers and amp settings. This is surely not a surprise to anyone though?
If I take my fuzz pedal and crank it, then send it to my distortion box and crank it, then send it to by Blues Driver and crank it . . . all pickups come out sounding pretty much the same!
A pickup is an early EQ applied to the guitar signal. When you get to the point where there's no dynamic range, and all the frequencies are being hella compressed the only EQ that matters is the final EQ the noise is put through . . . which in this case would be speakers and amp settings. This is surely not a surprise to anyone though?
eclecticsynergy
Well-known member
Yah, beyond a certain level of gain you won't even hear much difference between humbuckers and single coils.
You can't cite that to say there isn't significant a difference in the tone of the pickups.
You can't cite that to say there isn't significant a difference in the tone of the pickups.
I kind of feel like we, the video watching public, have some responsibility for this kind of behavior... I intentionally avoid the videos that say "ignore scales, just learn with your ear cause that's the cool way" or "learn scales cuz your ear doesn't work" examples.
But this extremism gets clicks and people take the bait even though it's possible, or even likely, that the videographer will say whatever gets them hits.
And it always makes sense to accuse someone of something and pointing fingers at pup manufacturers just gets the more visibility. So the less troll feeding the better
In this case, it's obvious that these were different pickups, it's obvious that if you've squared the edge off of every overtone, it's all going to sound similar, and it's obvious that none of this has anything to do with good guitar playing.
But I think it's even more important to recognize that your average guitarist almost certainly has no clue. Beginners are not expected to understand the difference in a clean tele and a clean humbucker, much less heavily distorted noise.
So I ignore this kind of messaging because anybody that has developed an ear will understand he's wrong. It's far more important to me to invest time with players that recognize pup differences and want to grow. In a way, he's helping the better players differentiate themselves from the mediocre.
But this extremism gets clicks and people take the bait even though it's possible, or even likely, that the videographer will say whatever gets them hits.
And it always makes sense to accuse someone of something and pointing fingers at pup manufacturers just gets the more visibility. So the less troll feeding the better
In this case, it's obvious that these were different pickups, it's obvious that if you've squared the edge off of every overtone, it's all going to sound similar, and it's obvious that none of this has anything to do with good guitar playing.
But I think it's even more important to recognize that your average guitarist almost certainly has no clue. Beginners are not expected to understand the difference in a clean tele and a clean humbucker, much less heavily distorted noise.
So I ignore this kind of messaging because anybody that has developed an ear will understand he's wrong. It's far more important to me to invest time with players that recognize pup differences and want to grow. In a way, he's helping the better players differentiate themselves from the mediocre.
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Aceman
I am your doctor of love!
I think that is his point - with that much distortion, there is so much natural compression....
It's not just that it isn't live. Although the YouTube/etc. additional processing does not help.
Aceman
I am your doctor of love!
The guitar player in me wants to say "Yeah - that's true.
The scientist in me says "There are very easy ways to really test this stuff. And no one ever does it. Hmmmm...."
I have said in this forum before; The Blind listening, with repeated randomized measures....that would be facts. We never see that, and I doubt we will, because the backlash would be unbelievable.
Yep, you and me are carved out of that same block of wood... In the opposite direction, it still irritates me when the cap gurus try to sell their magic bumblebees, when the data and the blind studies show a cap is a cap.
It also just hit me that he may have simply lost his high frequency hearing.
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beaubrummels
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For me, after a certain point, most of what distinguishes different pickups is felt in the hands; the touch response, how it changes with volume changes, etc., rather than just comparing the EQ / sound.
IMENATOR
Well-known member
I am not an expert but what you write here makes perfect sense both in theory and my limited experience. If I crank/boost the shit out of my signal chain two different guitars sound very close thru the same rig for the untrained ear. Less gain and you hear more their difference, clean channel means no distortion and they sound the most different.
Demanic
PenultimateTone Member
Oddly enough, I find if I run a compressor in front of the distortion pedal providing the major source of gain into a super clean amp, the differences stand out much more.
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