Pickups for progressive thrash - RG570
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LonePhantom
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Definitely try this first. I did the tests for Jemsite and wrote up the results on my personal blog. It may do exactly what you are after at no cost. It's extremely simple to do too.
Failing that the Full Shred set will be fantastic for what you're after too.
Definitely try this first. I did the tests for Jemsite and wrote up the results on my personal blog. It may do exactly what you are after at no cost. It's extremely simple to do too.
Failing that the Full Shred set will be fantastic for what you're after too.
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Ok, last question, I promise :d (and yes, I will try swapping magnets too
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What's the difference between Super 3 and Tone Zone? Specs at DiMarzio say that Tone Zone has a bit more bass but smaller output, and it is made from Alnico V, when SIII from ceramic magnet. So I suppose SIII has more attack when TZ is clearer - and does high bass in TZ not mean it has more balls in sound?
Ok, last question, I promise :d (and yes, I will try swapping magnets too
)What's the difference between Super 3 and Tone Zone? Specs at DiMarzio say that Tone Zone has a bit more bass but smaller output, and it is made from Alnico V, when SIII from ceramic magnet. So I suppose SIII has more attack when TZ is clearer - and does high bass in TZ not mean it has more balls in sound?
vinta9e
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PS. And don't I know You, vinta9e, from one of polish forums?
Right :d Any more info?
PS. And don't I know You, vinta9e, from one of polish forums?
dominus
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Re: Pickups for progressive thrash - RG570
The Tone Zone requires the right guitar running through the right setup, tonally, it's the exact opposite of the Evolution. The Evo is bright and some see it as unforgiving, and can be piercing in the wrong guitar. The Tone Zone can give you great thick tones, but can be a muddy mess. The Super 3 is probably closer to the Tone Zone compared to the Evo, but is a little more balanced sounding and not as dependent on the guitar's tone wood.
The Tone Zone requires the right guitar running through the right setup, tonally, it's the exact opposite of the Evolution. The Evo is bright and some see it as unforgiving, and can be piercing in the wrong guitar. The Tone Zone can give you great thick tones, but can be a muddy mess. The Super 3 is probably closer to the Tone Zone compared to the Evo, but is a little more balanced sounding and not as dependent on the guitar's tone wood.
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Edit: And I've just realized what I'm after with "fatness" of pickup - on DiMarzio Pickup Picker fat/warm is almost in exact opposition to clear/bright. But I want the best of both - not too bright (Evo) but clear and with "balls" to the sound.
It looks like fatness is associated with loss of clarity. But when I think about fat I imagine three guys running - one is struggling with obesity, the other one is thick and the other one is kind of athletic with massive thighs. First one, the "fat" one, with every step will be worse; skinny guy maybe can run fast but at the end he just won't have enough power to succeed; and the last one will be the best of both worlds - clear in his running (shred licks) and with amazing control of every step (chords clarity) but with enough power and punch to overwhelm the competition.
But as I'm playing a basswood Ibby - that a lot of people (like Petrucci or half of Jemsite) use with Tone Zone in bridge - through Soldano (Mesa/Boogie roots) copy (in Soldano forum there was a thread "Best pickup with Avenger" and some people were claiming that TZ is the way to go), can I go wrong?
Edit: And I've just realized what I'm after with "fatness" of pickup - on DiMarzio Pickup Picker fat/warm is almost in exact opposition to clear/bright. But I want the best of both - not too bright (Evo) but clear and with "balls" to the sound.
It looks like fatness is associated with loss of clarity. But when I think about fat I imagine three guys running - one is struggling with obesity, the other one is thick and the other one is kind of athletic with massive thighs. First one, the "fat" one, with every step will be worse; skinny guy maybe can run fast but at the end he just won't have enough power to succeed; and the last one will be the best of both worlds - clear in his running (shred licks) and with amazing control of every step (chords clarity) but with enough power and punch to overwhelm the competition.
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dominus
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Re: Pickups for progressive thrash - RG570
Okay, compare and contrast Def Leppard with Carcass. Both were using Super 3 pickups.
That to me, is a pretty thick tone. Back off the gain a bit and you'll get your thrash sounds.
Okay, compare and contrast Def Leppard with Carcass. Both were using Super 3 pickups.
That to me, is a pretty thick tone. Back off the gain a bit and you'll get your thrash sounds.
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Ok, I'm kicking thread up again.
Maybe am I focusing on bad setting - I want neck to do clean/leads and middle one to just "clean" the neck. Maybe should I take very low-output neck PUP, like Humbucker from Hell or even Air Classic, and then set it up with some good hum-cancelling medium/high output single in the middle. It would do neck - clean (like in "Images and Words" or "Alice in Hell"), then middle - leads, and bridge - riffs. And the middle one would be combined with either neck for clean/lead or bridge for rhythm/lead. Am I wrong?
Or is Liquifire/Super 3 along with some Air Norton S or Satch Track a good choice? Because at the DiMarzio site it's all about warmer/fatter - Liquifire or derivative (Air Norton or Illuminator) - or cleaner/brighter - Air Classic or HFH.
Ok, I'm kicking thread up again.
Maybe am I focusing on bad setting - I want neck to do clean/leads and middle one to just "clean" the neck. Maybe should I take very low-output neck PUP, like Humbucker from Hell or even Air Classic, and then set it up with some good hum-cancelling medium/high output single in the middle. It would do neck - clean (like in "Images and Words" or "Alice in Hell"), then middle - leads, and bridge - riffs. And the middle one would be combined with either neck for clean/lead or bridge for rhythm/lead. Am I wrong?
Or is Liquifire/Super 3 along with some Air Norton S or Satch Track a good choice? Because at the DiMarzio site it's all about warmer/fatter - Liquifire or derivative (Air Norton or Illuminator) - or cleaner/brighter - Air Classic or HFH.
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King IzzO)))
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Just so you know, the V7/V8 pickups I have were both ceramic, and pretty bad. I'm sure I could make them useable, but nah.
I think you'll dig the Super3 too. It's on the darker side, but with that amp and a boost it will be brutal for rhythms and still nice for leads. The Liquifire is a good match too.
I would never recommend the TZ over the Super3, but both pickups are on the warmer side and midrangey. The TZ is also tubby and picky. The Super3 isnt.
Just so you know, the V7/V8 pickups I have were both ceramic, and pretty bad. I'm sure I could make them useable, but nah.
I think you'll dig the Super3 too. It's on the darker side, but with that amp and a boost it will be brutal for rhythms and still nice for leads. The Liquifire is a good match too.
I would never recommend the TZ over the Super3, but both pickups are on the warmer side and midrangey. The TZ is also tubby and picky. The Super3 isnt.
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But it's now all about what to choose for neck and middle positions: Super3/Air Norton S/Liquifire or Super3/Air Norton S/Humbucker from Hell?
Edit: I think I'm more and more leaning towards HfH, because I want my neck to do really nice cleans and paired with Air Norton S some Gilmourish or Akerfeldtish solos. And I suppose that HfH will do it more likely than LiquiFire…?
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But it's now all about what to choose for neck and middle positions: Super3/Air Norton S/Liquifire or Super3/Air Norton S/Humbucker from Hell?
Edit: I think I'm more and more leaning towards HfH, because I want my neck to do really nice cleans and paired with Air Norton S some Gilmourish or Akerfeldtish solos. And I suppose that HfH will do it more likely than LiquiFire…?
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chris effect
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personally, i'd go with the pegasus/sentient set or the full shred set
personally, i'd go with the pegasus/sentient set or the full shred set
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Why the Pegasus/Sentient? Only because I said that I want pickups for prog metal? It looks like people before you were sure that Super 3 will do the sound that I want. But maybe you have some explanation why I should take Pegasus?
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