*PICS* The "Poormans Martin" arrived today!

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I picked up the Pro Martin W200 Custom from the post office today. It came in a SKB hardshell (thin variant) case that weighted next to nothing. Very Cool! Don't know how old it is but the latches are dulled so it's a couple of years.

The guitar in itself is very lightweight as well, I was really SURPRISED how light it is... again I don't have a scale so I can't give you the exact weight now :sad:

It's a quality build to me, looks really well built, maybe apart from the binding of the neck and headstock. That has a little cheap plastic look to it, but otherwise.

Being a few years old it has some wear, which I expected. But cool wear though, no need to relic this one to get mojo to it ;) hehe... The lacquer has yellowed really nice and the top has a beautiful golden colored tint to it with some wear patterns, scuffs and bare wood has been exposed by the soundhole . Backside is just a beautiful piece of wood and is in good shape with some small scuffs and minor belt buckle wear. It says MOJO! to me :D ;)

Neck was straight and it was in tune even though it has had a little trip from our neighbor country, Sweden. Frets are in good shape with some wear, but nothing to talk about really. Some wear marks around the three first frets from lots of open chording, it seems. The nut slot for the B string is a little messed up but it's mostly on the sides of the slot so it doesn't really affect anything but looks.

It plays easily, but I expect better performance with new strings and some upgrades. So I won't really comment on the tone of it yet, to me it has a nice quite balanced tone though... something along the lines of the "core sound" that I expected it to have.

Tuners are hexagonal shaped, and according to danglybangers who read the Japanese Pro Martin catalog for me are they generic no-brand tuners. Looks a little funny to me, may upgrade them to real Grover Rotomatics (Like a late 60's Martin D-28) in the future.

I have no idea what material the nut, saddle and bridge pins are made of but I assume they are plastic, that has been yellowed with age. All these, saddle, bridge pins and nut will be upgraded with TUSQ parts all around.

I've been studing various pictures, sites and discussions on the history of Martin guitars, mainly the D-28, to determine which model this is a replica of. So far I've noted that it mostly looks like a 1969 D-28, with some exceptions.

- Biggest "miss": binding on the neck and headstock (not on any D-28 at all)
- missing the inlay dot on the 17th fret (D-28 has a inlay dot there)
- funny generic tuners compared to Grover Rotomatics on a '69 D-28
- Nato wood neck compared to something else?? on a real Martin.

Things that fit to a '69 D-28 Martin:

- Rosewood sides and maybe/probably back as well.
- Black pickguard
- Bridge and saddle shape
- The pattern of the backstrip
- Top looks "correct" (not sure about woodtype though)
...

I will try to record something with it soon so I'll post back here in this thread and in the T&C section as well.

Now I'll let the pics speak for themselves even though they aren't the best quality.

I've polished it and applied FretDoctor to the fretboard since I took these shots. So it's a tad more shine in the finish than the pictures show. I also polished the back of the neck so it glossy like the rest of the guitar (it was matte when I got it) and I'm going to polish the headstock to gloss as well when I change strings and get a chance to remove the tuners.

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Give me back my Martin!

Congrats. Looks like a cool guitar.
 
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Seems pretty nice. Enjoy! Nice score...

The saddle seems a bit too low or is it just the angles?

So are you going to convert it to a '69 martin as you are doing with the thursday burst?
 
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I like the way that looks. Who did you buy it from? A store, or a private seller?
 
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After playing it some more today, I have to say... I really dig it. Really nice tone to it. I went to a local music store today to get a new set of Martin SP Bronze strings for it but they didn't sell any Martin strings :sad: So I still play with the strings it came with.

Searched all over the guitar for a serial nr. , nope... nowhere! But I noticed that the label sticker has a "serial number:" but then it's empty. When looking in the right light you can see the contours of a faded zero there.... so it has probably faded away with time. The owner said that he thinks it's from mid/late 80's but wasn't certain about it. Seems like no luck to get an exact date for it :blackeye:

I promised a recording of it... I had never recorded with my webcam before so I figured I'd try it out. Just me and the Pro Martin, recorded with a headset mic (forgot my better mic at my parents house :smack: ) and a logitech webcam. A cover of Bruce Springsteens "Atlantic City" from the Nebraska album. Damn it's so fun to play stripped down songs on a 6 string acoustic :D

I'm not familiar with doing video clips and video recording and such so excuse the poor crappy quality and out of sync. Maybe not a good clip of the guitars tone but it was fun to make so I thought I post it anyway ;)

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EDIT! Video is down as my page acccount got crowded...

Rid, cool you've repaired Pro Martins... you're about the first person that I know that have played/had a Pro Martin then ;) apart from the guy who sold this one to me. Have any more info about them?

PoorMan, you've had a Martin? Which model? :smokin:

fingerace, yeah I really enjoy it... adjusted the truss rod yesterday as it had a slight slight banana bend to it. So now it's really straight and the action feels even more comfortable :) As far as converting it to '69 Martin specs, I guess yes :laugh2: ... but there isn't that much to convert really, without starting to rebuild it ;) I'll probably change the tuners to correct Grover Rotomatics in the future and will also replace the plastic parts with TUSQ parts. But that's about it.... a '69 would probably have had bone parts though but I think I'll go the TUSQ way instead.

bigalthethird, I bought it used from a guy in Sweden. He had it up for sale on a swedish music ad site that I check out quite often. I've seen two or three for sale, all have been in Sweden. Then a couple of picture of a W200 Custom that had more fancy bindings and stuff on a danish forum and then the Japanese catalog from the japanese site (posted links to that in the old Pro Martin thread I made). Can't find anymore info than that... strange really, you think you'll find everything and every guitar brand on the net these days. Guess not! ;)
 
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A real D-28 has a spruce top, rosewood back and sides, mahogany (I believe) neck w/ ebony fingerboard, no binding on the neck and headstock, and rosewood laminate on the headstock. I think the binding was added to keep it from being an *exact* dupe of a D-28. Your neck could also be mahogany but it's tough to tell exactly without better pics.

How's the sound projection? Tonal balance?

Oh, and acoustics are naturally light. ;) :laugh2:
 
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Okay! Thanks for the info. I also thought that they had mahogany necks, but wasn't sure.

This one has a nato, danglybanger read the japanese catalog for me. And according to the specs there, it should have a Nato wood neck. Hadn't heard about nato wood before so I checked it up:

Nato wood, also known as Eastern Mahogany, is a relieble, strong wood used on guitar necks. It is a value-priced wood used more in the lower cost instruments. However, Nato still embodies all of the properties of more commonly used.... and more expensive mahogany. Not a bad wood at all for most ukes.... except the finest ones.

It has rosewood sides (it was also specified in the catalog) and probably rosewood back as well then, I think!?

The laminate on the headstock looks similar to the back piece, so I guess rosewood there as well then.

Would be really interesting to know what the top wood is. Any wood experts here that could take a guess by just looking at it? I can take some more detailed pics if needed.

The differences in wood types would then be a nato neck compared to a mahogany neck on real Martins. And the top wood question is still open...

I'll buy your "theory" about the added binding for not making an exact copy :)

Haven't had a detailed look on the bracing and construction inside the body yet. I'll try to stick a camera down there and take some shots of it to compare it to a D-28 when I change the strings.

I haven't reviewed neither played lots of acoustics and here's two n00b question from me.

How do you define sound projection, or what is meant by that?

Tonal balance, the amount of different frequencies? Bassy, bright, heavy on the mids etc.

Just want to check before I say something wrong because of missunderstanding :)
 
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Sounds like a nice instrument. I had never heard of those before. The top looks to be some sort of spruce to me.

How do you define sound projection, or what is meant by that?
It's the "throw", much like how a speaker projects sound. An acoustic has projection and some throw the sound further than others. My D-28 is loud and in a small venue, I probably wouldn't need a mic for a relaxed coffee-house type gig. Then there's some that just don't project at all and need a mic on 'em or an acoustic pickup to the board.

Tonal balance, the amount of different frequencies? Bassy, bright, heavy on the mids etc.
Exactly. Best thing you can do to get an idea of where yours lies is to take it to local shop that has a bunch of acoustics and play them. Play one, play yours. Play another, play yours, and so on. The D-28 is very big and full. The D-15 and 16 have less bass. The body size is a big factor with acoustics. Usually the bigger the box with the best tonal wood, the bigger the projection and the fuller it sounds. Bad wood with a big box can equal one nasty sounding instrument.
 
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Okay! Would be nice if it's some spruce, so it follows the true Martins well :D

Well, it's a loud guitar with a deep bottom. A think it could do a coffee house gig un-miced without much problem. It's louder than my 12 string Yamaha and the top vibrates more as well.

The 12 string is of course a bright instrument considering that 8 of the strings are thin ones. But when playing together with other acoustic guitars you can't hear the Yamaha individually so well, it kind of floats into the mix providing a good background.

The Pro Martin is completely different in that way, it has deep bottom and throws the sound in a completely different way, more present. Hard to describe but it kind of shoots the sound out in a agressive way, compared to the Yamaha that beautifully releases the sound and it floats out in the air and surrounds you... kind of :laugh2:

I won't go into more detail on the tonal balance before I changed strings because it can change much as I don't know how old these string that are on now are.
 
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This is a bit OT but are you wearing clogs in your picture there???
 
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Its got character, Martin makes such nice guitars, i have a DM, they are pretty cheap for a martin but this thing still sounds awesome, im looking at getting a baby martin as a travel guitar.
Congrats on the buy

Smilemon
 
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NOTE! I found a number stamped on to one of the bracings on the top. It says something like "800". The two first digits "80" with black and the last "0" is in red. But that's the only number anywhere on the guitar it seems...

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I got a PM about my shoes yesterday as well, someone who wondered what shoes they were...

Well, they are cognac colored leather loafers or what they are called in english. From a Swedish brand, Vagabond. Kinda like these but cognac colored:

http://www.comparestoreprices.co.uk/images/va/vagabond-vbond-starwort.jpg

Smilemon, thanks! It 's nice to have a older guitar. Even though I don't know how old it is exactly. I love the golden honey colored that the tops of old acoustics have, eye candy! :D

I ordered 3 sets of Martin SP Bronze strings yesterday. Curious to see how it sounds with fresh strings!

What are the Martin DM's? Are they the once that were manufactured in Japan and the assembled in the US... no wait maybe those were the Shenandoah's or what they are called.
 
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I like those blemishes on it. I think if it was me I'd burn some cig holes on it just to break it in even more. I dig it. How's it sound?
 
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I think you're going to love those Martin strings. It's all I use on my D-28. Anything else just doesn't sound right to me.

The DM's are a lower priced line of Martins. Not bad guitars at all and I great way to get in to the line without spending a lot of money. They have a solid top with laminated back and sides.
 
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I really hope that. After all, maybe I'm a little brand oriented but this is copy of a Martin... so I've just got to use Martin strings with it ;)

And apart from that I've heard lots of people talking warmly about them.

Too bad I haven't heard anything from the place I'm going to order from yet even though I contacted them on Saturday.... sitting here waiting and checking my mail several times a day for an reply from them :laugh2:
 
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