Play a song badly or not at all?
- Thread starter trevorus
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Yeah, you don't tell a player like that to hold back. Same with Jimmy Herring. They went on to better pastures.
NegativeEase
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Well. since you opened this line of thinking..... how about a giant feedback swell with some serious rock moves with your back to the audience...
playas
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I agree with what seems to be the consensus here.
Work out something that is easier to play, sounds good and fits into the song well. Doesn't have to be complex.
If you want to learn the actual part note for note, plan on doing it longer term.
Practice way slower than actual speed, to a metronome where you can play it comfortably and accurately. When you are consistently and reliably getting it spot on repeatedly, speed up bit by bit (don't rush this).
I find this guy a little annoying, for some reason I can't quite put my finger on, but he has some very useful advice nevertheless:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtPjrZCPEmYQBjn7juSCl2A
Work out something that is easier to play, sounds good and fits into the song well. Doesn't have to be complex.
If you want to learn the actual part note for note, plan on doing it longer term.
Practice way slower than actual speed, to a metronome where you can play it comfortably and accurately. When you are consistently and reliably getting it spot on repeatedly, speed up bit by bit (don't rush this).
I find this guy a little annoying, for some reason I can't quite put my finger on, but he has some very useful advice nevertheless:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtPjrZCPEmYQBjn7juSCl2A
LLL
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Not dramatic enough.
alex1fly
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Yeah, I think you could do your own version of the solo. What are the emotions of the solo? From the video, it starts with a build... then crescendos with high notes for a few phrases... then crescendos again to end. The fast parts are a little tricky, I can definitely see that, but my initial thought was that hey, you could probably just wank on the root note high up on the fretboard and achieve the same effect. If you wanted to be fancy, you could do the trick where you play the root note on the high E and then bend the high B up to the same note (for example, play the 12th fret on the high E and then bend the B string from the 13th fret to the 15th fret to make the two notes be in unison).
In one of my early bands I struggled with a similar fast part in a solo of a cover song. I wish now in retrospect that instead of trying to recreate it note-for-note, I'd just rocked the opportunity to do my own thing. That's 100% what I'd do these days.... 15 years later, lol. You're playing a guitar solo - you're supposed to wank! Do a few takes at home and record, see what sounds good, and then you'll have a few tricks in your pocket for when the solo section comes around.
Of course that doesn't mean "write your own solo completely from scratch". That's unnecessary pressure. If there are parts of the solo you like, play them! Then just re-write your own parts for the sections of the solo you DON'T like. This is a really good trick because not only does it relieve the pressure to write something completely original, it actually ends up sounding pretty cool because the solo is part you, part already-accepted-as-musically-viable content.
Every band anyone is in probably has a few songs that one of the members does not like to play. Just part of the deal IME and no reason to protest too much.
In one of my early bands I struggled with a similar fast part in a solo of a cover song. I wish now in retrospect that instead of trying to recreate it note-for-note, I'd just rocked the opportunity to do my own thing. That's 100% what I'd do these days.... 15 years later, lol. You're playing a guitar solo - you're supposed to wank! Do a few takes at home and record, see what sounds good, and then you'll have a few tricks in your pocket for when the solo section comes around.
Of course that doesn't mean "write your own solo completely from scratch". That's unnecessary pressure. If there are parts of the solo you like, play them! Then just re-write your own parts for the sections of the solo you DON'T like. This is a really good trick because not only does it relieve the pressure to write something completely original, it actually ends up sounding pretty cool because the solo is part you, part already-accepted-as-musically-viable content.
Every band anyone is in probably has a few songs that one of the members does not like to play. Just part of the deal IME and no reason to protest too much.
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NegativeEase
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disagree -it's all about the level of his rock moves.....
Shake that booty, maybe kick over the stack, jump through through the drum isolation shield (hopefully made by Joe Bonamassa) and topple the drums over, then maybe a fistfight with the bass player.....then smash the guitar leaving the crowd's face melted.
Oh wait, this is a worship band? even better -make sure the feedback swell is a G sus cord.
LLL
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That would be positively scandalous.
NegativeEase
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I saw a fist fight onstage between the temp tour drummer and Mike the Vocalist and Guitarist of Agent Orange around 1996 or so -and while their were beating up each other -with Sam the bass player joining in, the cymbals were still burning bright on fire from Mike's fire breathing encore where we firebreathed across the drums set.
That was way better than seeing Cobain break things in 1991.
Gtrjunior
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I do like his channel but he does come across a bit “ better than thou” doesn’t he?
NegativeEase
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Hey, let me spin this a little -I go to Europe a lot, and this assertive confident sort of personality that Claus exhibits is really mostly a cultural thing in places like the Netherlands, Denmark, and Germany.... It comes off as a little smug to Americans,.... but more times than not they are totally sincere and it's just a cultural thing.
I've had the same guarded approach at times at first dealing with these types only to find it was just something I wasn't used to..
Gotta say, I watched three of his videos and think he's spot on with his analysis of learning guitar so far.... curious to watch some more -thanks for the link.
devastone
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So, they are better than us(?).
NegativeEase
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HAHA.
playas
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Actually I think it might be something about the vehemence and maybe velocity of speech which I find a bit irritating, rather than finding him over-confident or holier than thou.
I'm European too though - Irish - so I don't think so, but it's a fair point
In any case the end result is worth listening to what he has to say.
I'm European too though - Irish - so I don't think so, but it's a fair point
In any case the end result is worth listening to what he has to say.
alex1fly
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This is a good analysis. The Germanic lands do value a supreme confidence and a drive to specialize, to draw with a broad pen. This is purely my anecdotal experience. Heck, I just learned some cool tips in 5 minutes of browsing his videos.
Gtrjunior
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Oh yeah, I get that. I didn’t mean to come across in a way that make me sound like I don’t like him. I do actually. He’s very knowledgeable, a great player and for quite a while I followed his channel regularly.
NegativeEase
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yeah, I got that from your original post -but I am totally familiar with this personality type prevalent in northern and western Europe -it comes off as insincere or like they are fooling you about something until you get used to it -especially if you grow up in the South..
when I was 17 I met this Dutch guy in college who I was convinced for the first 6 months was trying to trick me or was talking down to me and had some alternate motivation for hangin' around, and as it turns out -it was just a cultural thing -and he was a rad dude and I just didn't have exposure -and this guitar guy talks exactly like him.
trevorus
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He moved it to another week, it fit better with the message that week anyways. The other guy kind of did his own thing. I’d rather get it tight, and just be able to nail it just as a goal. Then maybe I’ll stray a bit and do my own thing with it.
