Playing the "amp"

Aceman

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Read something in GP, but it really struck me as an underappreciated issue. everyone knows how to "play" their guitar, but how many people really know how to "play" the amp. In my old age, I'm finding I really care less and less about the guitar or the pups, except when I'm getting deep/picky/particular about super-subtle tonal nuances. But once I really started understanding how the knobs all affected my sound and interacted with each other - that's when I really started getting tones I really liked.

we need a book on how to "play" the amp! Not another licks/shreds/sweeps/scales book!
 
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AMEN !!!!

I'm much more into amps than guitars, although a nice guitar is cool too....and easier to hide from the Mrs. !!! :D

I guess the main problem is they cost a lost more....playing tube scientist can be very pricey....speakers ain't cheap....

But yeah, you settle in on a good amp & turn those knobs...try the different inputs....slap a different pre tube in somewhere....you'd be amazed at what might happen :bigok:
 
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But once I really started understanding how the knobs all affected my sound and interacted with each other - that's when I really started getting tones I really liked.
IMO, that's the real meaning of "tone is in the hands". Knowing how to dial in an amp has a bigger effect on one's tone than technique. It's about knowing how to use the rig as a system rather than being able to play 32nd notes at 200 BPM.
 
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I think it all really comes down to knowing how to dial it all in collectively. An amp will need to be EQ'd differently for a Les Paul than a Strat. A big part of sounding good when playing live is to know how to EQ your amp to cut through the band mix (what sounds great solo can get lost in the mix really quickly). Technique is a huge part of tone also. If you can't hit the notes, the best gear won't help you (in fact, more often than not, quality gear will reveal sloppy technique more than cheaper gear). I don't mean that for a good tone you have to be some monster neoclassical shredder, but knowing how to play chords properly, having decent tempo, etc. can do wonders. For truly great sound, you need to have all the elements together. If you can't EQ an amp correctly, don't know how to match your guitar with your amp or can't play decently, you aren't going to sound good.
 
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A lot of "playing the amp" (something I really agree with) comes from the idiosyncrasies of the amp itself. Tube amps are a lot like guitars in that no two are ever really 100% the same. I think that's one of the drawbacks to being one of those people who buy & sell a different amp every week and are always playing through a different rig. They never really get to know it well enough to adapt it to their playing as part of their instrument - more than just mere "amplification."

The saying goes (and goes and goes) that a "great" player can sound great through any rig, and while that may be true, I find the players that I really connect with musically all seem to have their amp rig that is as essential to their sound as the guitar they use.
 
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After this thread dies down, I vote for a vault. Very under appreciated, indeed.
 
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Read something in GP...

Yeah, I saw that, too, and was similarly impressed. What amp review was that?

One thing I really like about my 18 Watter clone is it versatility/knobs ratio. Two knobs (OK, three if you count the Weber Mini MASS in the back) but I can do all kinds of stuff with it. The amps volume control (and selection of preamp tube) dials in the overall amount of dirt, and then I can control it all from the guitar.

I've been trying to come to terms with a compressor lately - I love what guys like Summers and Marr have done with them, but I've reached a conclusion. I can't deal with a compressor because it removes the amp's touch sensitivity. I never realized what an ingrained part of my playing it is.. After thirty five years of playing that way, I clicked on the CS-3 and suddenly it was gone. I was playing the amp all along and never knew it.
 
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I think something completely different when someone says they are playing the amp...that is a term I got from my dad years ago and it wasn't until recently that I "got" it...

to me, playing the amp means having a small amp (tube rectified helps), or an amp that is in a sewtting where it can be cranked up that is very touch sensitive and changes around your playinf technique as well as responds differently to various guitars, pickups, and effects. My Mission Amps Super is like that...I can plug striaght in and get a WIDE range of tones just by changing the way I play the guitar in effect Im using the guitar to play the amp...it really is a great thing.

This is something that I have never gotten out of big high powered amps, master volume amps, channel switching amps, etc...to me a small to medium wattage amp with a minium amount of controls is the best and again I feel that a tube rectifier helps...
 
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Knowing how to dial in your amp proprely - which to me means USE THE MANUAL - will eventually put you ahead of the pack; your touch and technique will benefit enormously. So tone is, at least in part, in the hands.

Vault worthy indeed.
 
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This may be the best thread I've read here as far as importance. Also a great example of why the internet is such an incredible tool. Granted, I've been playing for 28 years, but I knew nothing about the importance of matching sound up with other musicians, doing things that sounded great in the MIX and not solo, or even the theory behind all these cool knobs. Not until I really started coming to this forum. Sooooo many bands in my area in the 80s did the whole spiraling equipment thing. Made the music companys and want ad papers a fortune, lol. Nobody had any idea about the things in this thread. Sometimes we got lucky and hit it on the nose, but then someone would get some new equipment and it would be like "that sounds like crap, get rid of it. Why did you sell your old stuff???" instead of taking some time and re-equalizing their/our equipment.

Good post Aceman. Way to rock!
 
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I think something completely different when someone says they are playing the amp...that is a term I got from my dad years ago and it wasn't until recently that I "got" it...

to me, playing the amp means having a small amp (tube rectified helps), or an amp that is in a sewtting where it can be cranked up that is very touch sensitive and changes around your playinf technique as well as responds differently to various guitars, pickups, and effects. My Mission Amps Super is like that...I can plug striaght in and get a WIDE range of tones just by changing the way I play the guitar in effect Im using the guitar to play the amp...it really is a great thing.

This is something that I have never gotten out of big high powered amps, master volume amps, channel switching amps, etc...to me a small to medium wattage amp with a minium amount of controls is the best and again I feel that a tube rectifier helps...

Sounds like you need to join the Falcon club! I'm sure Golden Boy would approve. Tube rectifier, 12-15 watts (depending on who you ask), one volume, one tone, and the best reverb and tremolo ever put in an amp.

Yep, you need a Falcon.

Oh and on topic, sadly I have not yet had enough time with tube amps (I've owned 8 of them in the last year, but I've never really pushed them yet with my living situation) to really get the nuances down yet. But once I have my own place, you bet yer ass that'll change! And yeah, this is vault worty.
 
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This is a cool thread! For several years I played through a midi rig with all the presets and effects. I lost most of my touch and a lot of my tecnique as a result. Now days I play a Fender Prosonic most of the time and use few effects.
With my Prosonic I can go from allmost fully clean to SCREAMING METAL using only my touch and volume on the guitar. Playing the amp using my guitar volume is an essential part of my personal style now. With all this modeling stuff floating around nowdays for many of the younger guys playing the amp is a lost art :( sad man sad.
 
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I've been trying to come to terms with a compressor lately - I love what guys like Summers and Marr have done with them, but I've reached a conclusion. I can't deal with a compressor because it removes the amp's touch sensitivity. I never realized what an ingrained part of my playing it is.. After thirty five years of playing that way, I clicked on the CS-3 and suddenly it was gone. I was playing the amp all along and never knew it.

The problem isn't that you're using a compressor.... the problem is that you're using a CS-3. Seriously. Most of the more quality compressors will do a good job of doing what it is you want without totally squashing your tone.
 
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to me, playing the amp means having a small amp (tube rectified helps), or an amp that is in a sewtting where it can be cranked up that is very touch sensitive and changes around your playinf technique as well as responds differently to various guitars, pickups, and effects. My Mission Amps Super is like that...I can plug striaght in and get a WIDE range of tones just by changing the way I play the guitar in effect Im using the guitar to play the amp...it really is a great thing.

This is something that I have never gotten out of big high powered amps, master volume amps, channel switching amps, etc...to me a small to medium wattage amp with a minium amount of controls is the best and again I feel that a tube rectifier helps...

I agree with your direction but I disagree with your comment on amps, somewhat.

For one, I agree with your comment on channel switchers... jumping around on channels during a song can kill your touch to a certain extent... particularly if you're relying on it to do things that you could also be doing with your guitar's volume knob. That said, if you're really proficient at playing both channels than this will be far less of an issue since lowering gain is lowering gain, no matter how it's achieved. Myself, I like multi-channel amps because they offer up more tones in one head... but, I also have a habbit of playing both channels like it was a single channel head.... in effect I tend to select the channel that has the desired tone I want, then I rock the volume, tone, pick attack, or pickup selector to get all the desired changes I'm after.

Having bounced between high and low powered amps I can honestly say that I've gotten better results when playing high power amps, but that's just me... other people will get better results with whatever works best for them.

Myself, I find low wattage (30w or less) too restrictive. Maybe it's my lack of touch, but I find the transition from too quiet to massively overdriven happens way too fast without enough time to stop off at all the textures in between. High headroom amplifiers provide me with a broader palate of 'in between' tones than I've ever been able to get out of low headroom amps. I can get extremely light on the touch without the amps volume decreasing to the point where it's too quiet, or I can beat the strings half to death and extract all the unholy grind I can squeeze out of my now suffering amplifier.

I also find that I get better results from master volume amps than non-masters because I can precisely set how much preamp grind I want without having to worry about overall volume. Obviously less of an issue for the low watt guys, but for a high watter like myself it's pretty much mandatory. For example, with my current amp I simply dime the gain knob then rock my guitar's volume or my pick's touch to get all the desired gain/grind effects that I want.... right from clean to mean. It'd be physically impossible for me to do this with a non-master volume 140w amp... but even when I owned the 30w version of the same amp (on which the master was permanently on 10) I found that I couldn't get anywhere the same amount of touch or dynamics that I can squeeze out of the 140w version.

Then again, my amp also has a killer master volume, so this is definitely a 'your milage may vary' point.
 
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bigalthethird: I used to have a falcon...cool amps for sure. In fact I have owned several smallish gibson amps, a few Silvertones a Premier or 2...all very cool amps. One of the best amps I even owned was a Gibson in fact...my Mission amps Super is my main baby these days but sopme of those older Gibson amps really are great amps!

screamingdaisy: I understand what you are saying and where you are coming from but for me it's just a little different...

I like a low wattage amp because I can't get the nice natural OD tones from big amps in the places I get to play...I used to gig all the time with my Twin Reverb and sometimes even more amp that that and was just never able to get the amp to a point on the volume where it really sounded "right" to me however with 20 and 30 watters (and sopmetimes even less) I can get clean tones as well as a nice, natural OD tone then by using a pedal go to full on crunch...if I am in a setting where I can really crank the amp I can sometimes go without a pedl but it does make life easier sometimes to have one on hand (or at foot as it may be!). At any rate, I hear ya...thats one thing that makes us all different...
 
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At any rate, I hear ya...thats one thing that makes us all different...

Yup. :beerchug:

I'm mostly bringing it up just to point out that different people can 'play the amp' in far different ways.... preferably before this becomes a 'small amps rule everything because you can dime them' thread. Mostly because I went down that road already (25w Rivera, 15w Mesa, two different 30w Oranges) and found it to be lacking.
 
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In the past year or two, I too have been more focussed on playing the amp as an instrument rather than the guitar. Playing your amp and exploiting it's nuances and strengths and knowing how to extort certain sounds from it and seeing how it reacts to pedals and such is a very underappreciated art and there's a lot to be learned there. I'm finding myself more and more being able to dial in tones on and appreciate amps that I've ignored previously.
 
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The problem isn't that you're using a compressor.... the problem is that you're using a CS-3. Seriously. Most of the more quality compressors will do a good job of doing what it is you want without totally squashing your tone.

Well, it's a Monty Allums Opto Mod CS-3 now. And I really don't think the model affects my opinion much. I've had the same reaction to any compressor I've ever tried - both versions of the CS-3, a CS-2, Dyna Comp, Ibanez... I just can't deal with the way they get in the way of transferring my picking dynamics and guitar-volume-twiddling to the amp. Several of my heroes get great results from compressors, but not me.
 
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I found the quote I had in mind. It's from the Marshall Vintage Modern review in the July 2007 issue of Guitar Player, written by Jude Gold.

"It’s a loud call to arms imploring all guitarists—particularly newbies from the instant-gratification, digital modeling, Ritalin generation—to take the torch passed on from Jeff Beck, Eddie Van Halen, The Edge, Frank Marino, and other full-spectrum guitar gods, and learn the timeless art of actually playing an amp."


Wise words.
 
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