POD HD and Eleven Rack
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lpmarshall
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I'll have to check out the 300 when my federal return gets here. I really don't need all the extras on the 500.
I'll have to check out the 300 when my federal return gets here. I really don't need all the extras on the 500.
sbecker67
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Just ordered an 11R ($699 from ProAudioStar; a fair enough price). I liked the POD even with a couple flaws that should be corrected or worked around and it's fine if all I wanted was low-volume, home noodling but I would like more if possible.
The 11R was better, I thought, and it doesn't have those issues experienced with the POD. Plus, I found an easy solution to my MIDIphobia ( http://www.eurekasound.com/11prom.html ), and an xpac/update was just released today.
Still bringing the POD to the jam tonight, haven't totally written it off, but it's given me enough reason to try the 11R a little more thoroughly. One of them by this time next week will not make the cut.
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Just ordered an 11R ($699 from ProAudioStar; a fair enough price). I liked the POD even with a couple flaws that should be corrected or worked around and it's fine if all I wanted was low-volume, home noodling but I would like more if possible.
The 11R was better, I thought, and it doesn't have those issues experienced with the POD. Plus, I found an easy solution to my MIDIphobia ( http://www.eurekasound.com/11prom.html ), and an xpac/update was just released today.
Still bringing the POD to the jam tonight, haven't totally written it off, but it's given me enough reason to try the 11R a little more thoroughly. One of them by this time next week will not make the cut.
New Stuff Rox!
sbecker67
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Well, the POD failed the "live" test. As per all my previous experiances using modelers in a band setting with another guitar player using tube amps it just disappeared. Granted, I didn't have any patches prepared and was doing quick editing on the fly to the pre set patches from Line 6 but I expected more. It was certainly an improvement and I was able to hear myself better but it seems like the frequencies from a tube amp just overpower the modelers; I certainly wasn't cutting through when I needed or even sitting well in the mix like when using a tube amp myself.
I wouldn't discount the POD entirely for live or band use just yet though. There are a few songs we do where the other guitarist doesn't play guitar at all or will play acoustic and those sounded fine. There are a couple songs where our parts are so distinctly different that the seperation was noticeable. Songs where we're essentially playing the same thing though was where the POD disappeared the most; even my tricks of using cowboy chords vs his bar chords or different voiceings or amp tones didn't produce enough seperation. If you play live and mic everything to FOH you'll probably be fine too because that set-up levels the playing field as the mix sent to the stage monitors can be adjusted at the board.
All in all, I think they're a good solution for the home hobbyist and noodler. The tone is good and not dependant on volume and if you're like me and want the different tones of a Marshall, Vox, Fender, etc... then it's going to save you a ton of money on amps. With the POD or 11R I can sell off 4 or 5 amps ( and still have 2 left ), a couple cabs and dozens of pedals and not be without the variety of tones that I appreciate.
Looking forward to Friday when the 11R arrives.
Well, the POD failed the "live" test. As per all my previous experiances using modelers in a band setting with another guitar player using tube amps it just disappeared. Granted, I didn't have any patches prepared and was doing quick editing on the fly to the pre set patches from Line 6 but I expected more. It was certainly an improvement and I was able to hear myself better but it seems like the frequencies from a tube amp just overpower the modelers; I certainly wasn't cutting through when I needed or even sitting well in the mix like when using a tube amp myself.
I wouldn't discount the POD entirely for live or band use just yet though. There are a few songs we do where the other guitarist doesn't play guitar at all or will play acoustic and those sounded fine. There are a couple songs where our parts are so distinctly different that the seperation was noticeable. Songs where we're essentially playing the same thing though was where the POD disappeared the most; even my tricks of using cowboy chords vs his bar chords or different voiceings or amp tones didn't produce enough seperation. If you play live and mic everything to FOH you'll probably be fine too because that set-up levels the playing field as the mix sent to the stage monitors can be adjusted at the board.
All in all, I think they're a good solution for the home hobbyist and noodler. The tone is good and not dependant on volume and if you're like me and want the different tones of a Marshall, Vox, Fender, etc... then it's going to save you a ton of money on amps. With the POD or 11R I can sell off 4 or 5 amps ( and still have 2 left ), a couple cabs and dozens of pedals and not be without the variety of tones that I appreciate.
Looking forward to Friday when the 11R arrives.
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Re: POD HD and Eleven Rack
How did you use it? Did you just go straight to the mixer or run it through a tube power amp or amp?
How did you use it? Did you just go straight to the mixer or run it through a tube power amp or amp?
sbecker67
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I bought a good FR/FR powered speaker specifically to use with the modelers; a QSC K12. So, I was using the speaker as a guitar cab essentially with cab and mic simulations on.
I bought a good FR/FR powered speaker specifically to use with the modelers; a QSC K12. So, I was using the speaker as a guitar cab essentially with cab and mic simulations on.
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I wonder if it would give you a better sound through a tube amp? I find with all the modelers I've owned you have to make patches from scratch to get the most out of them.
I wonder if it would give you a better sound through a tube amp? I find with all the modelers I've owned you have to make patches from scratch to get the most out of them.
sbecker67
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I would expect running through a tube amp to give the 'cut', absolutely; the POD would just be another pedal in the chain at that point.
With the POD you can opt to use just the modeled pre-amp and turn off the modeled power amp section, cab sims and mic sims; so that application would work very well.
I would expect running through a tube amp to give the 'cut', absolutely; the POD would just be another pedal in the chain at that point.
With the POD you can opt to use just the modeled pre-amp and turn off the modeled power amp section, cab sims and mic sims; so that application would work very well.
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Diego
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Here's where I think a POD through a real guitar cabinet with cab/mic sims off could also do the trick... there's something about using real guitar speakers that clicks for me.
This'd keep the POD in charge of FX and the preamp. You'd need something for the poweramp though.
Any chance of you being able to try that setup? It could be very interesting.
Here's where I think a POD through a real guitar cabinet with cab/mic sims off could also do the trick... there's something about using real guitar speakers that clicks for me.
This'd keep the POD in charge of FX and the preamp. You'd need something for the poweramp though.
Any chance of you being able to try that setup? It could be very interesting.
sbecker67
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For me, it defeats the whole purpose of having a modeling solution. If I'm going to carry around a traditional guitar cab and power amp, I may as well just use the real thing.
My real goal is to find a good home solution so I can stop buying amps and reduce what I already have. It would be awesome if the current modelers were good enough to use live with a band, but it's not a requirement in my decision.
I'm passing along my experiance using the POD and 11R live for those who want to use it in that situation.
The Atomic FR are a great choice, they are still FR/FR speakers so cab and mic sims will be utilized and a lot of people report getting that "amp in the room" experiance when using them. Probably a good option for those that gig and play live frequently. You could still send the modeled signal to FOH and use the Atomic as a stage monitor providing a little more amp feel than a normal PA monitor.
EDIT: 11R anc QSC K-10 out for delivery today!
For me, it defeats the whole purpose of having a modeling solution. If I'm going to carry around a traditional guitar cab and power amp, I may as well just use the real thing.
My real goal is to find a good home solution so I can stop buying amps and reduce what I already have. It would be awesome if the current modelers were good enough to use live with a band, but it's not a requirement in my decision.
I'm passing along my experiance using the POD and 11R live for those who want to use it in that situation.
The Atomic FR are a great choice, they are still FR/FR speakers so cab and mic sims will be utilized and a lot of people report getting that "amp in the room" experiance when using them. Probably a good option for those that gig and play live frequently. You could still send the modeled signal to FOH and use the Atomic as a stage monitor providing a little more amp feel than a normal PA monitor.
EDIT: 11R anc QSC K-10 out for delivery today!
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TrippyVinylologist
Re: POD HD and Eleven Rack
The difference is that you can have unlimited set ups using a POD HD or 11R live, you're not going to carry a bunch of amps for most gigs. That's the whole point of modelers.
The difference is that you can have unlimited set ups using a POD HD or 11R live, you're not going to carry a bunch of amps for most gigs. That's the whole point of modelers.
sbecker67
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I was up until nearly 1 AM playing with the Eleven Rack last night. I haven't played guitar, amplified, past 9PM in ages!!
Since I still have the POD HD I was able to get a better comparison than when I was able to at the store. My intial impressions that the 11R was marginally better is incorrect; it is a lot better. That shouldn't reflect negatively on the POD because it does sound great and is light years ahead of previous versions. If Line 6 fixes the current bugs it will be even better. The 11R, though, was more articulate and behaved more like an amp then I imagined possible.
I spent a lot of time with the Plexi model (which is spectacular). With all the control knobs dimed, in true Plexi fashion, lead lines were rich and harmonic and the notes just bloomed. To my surprise, rolling back on the guitar volume knob cleaned the tone beautifully. I don't recall any POD behaving like that and if I remember correctly there were usually seperate models for clean and dirty settings. I don't foresee the need to have a bazillion patches like was needed with the Vetta. It's really as simple as selecting an amp model, a cab, a mic sim, adjusting amp controls to suit and play. Of all the amps modeled I don't think there was a dud in the lot. The Plexi, AC30, Deluxe Reverb, Soldano and JCM800 were my favorites.
The 11R may only have a few effects but their quality is far superior to the POD's. It's great that the POD will have 10 different overdrives but if 9 of them stink what's the point. All of the 11R FX were good, especially the Rat and Muff models. The delay, modulations and reverbs were much warmer and natural sounding than the equivalent POD versions which sometimes can sound thin, overly processed and tinny.
Since I"m looking for a home solution first and foremost, I don't mind that the 11R isn't an all in one unit like the POD and that a seperate foot controller is required; especially since I found a site that sells a preprogrammed MIDI chip specifically for the 11R at $25.00 to use with the Behringer FB1010. If the 11R performs well live and cuts, it's just a bonus in my book. The inclusion of Protools recording software is a nice bonus too
Now don't get me wrong, I don't think this generation of modelers is going to replace tube amps completely but they are so good that there aren't many applications where it will NOT be a suitable alternative.
I was up until nearly 1 AM playing with the Eleven Rack last night. I haven't played guitar, amplified, past 9PM in ages!!
Since I still have the POD HD I was able to get a better comparison than when I was able to at the store. My intial impressions that the 11R was marginally better is incorrect; it is a lot better. That shouldn't reflect negatively on the POD because it does sound great and is light years ahead of previous versions. If Line 6 fixes the current bugs it will be even better. The 11R, though, was more articulate and behaved more like an amp then I imagined possible.
I spent a lot of time with the Plexi model (which is spectacular). With all the control knobs dimed, in true Plexi fashion, lead lines were rich and harmonic and the notes just bloomed. To my surprise, rolling back on the guitar volume knob cleaned the tone beautifully. I don't recall any POD behaving like that and if I remember correctly there were usually seperate models for clean and dirty settings. I don't foresee the need to have a bazillion patches like was needed with the Vetta. It's really as simple as selecting an amp model, a cab, a mic sim, adjusting amp controls to suit and play. Of all the amps modeled I don't think there was a dud in the lot. The Plexi, AC30, Deluxe Reverb, Soldano and JCM800 were my favorites.
The 11R may only have a few effects but their quality is far superior to the POD's. It's great that the POD will have 10 different overdrives but if 9 of them stink what's the point. All of the 11R FX were good, especially the Rat and Muff models. The delay, modulations and reverbs were much warmer and natural sounding than the equivalent POD versions which sometimes can sound thin, overly processed and tinny.
Since I"m looking for a home solution first and foremost, I don't mind that the 11R isn't an all in one unit like the POD and that a seperate foot controller is required; especially since I found a site that sells a preprogrammed MIDI chip specifically for the 11R at $25.00 to use with the Behringer FB1010. If the 11R performs well live and cuts, it's just a bonus in my book. The inclusion of Protools recording software is a nice bonus too
Now don't get me wrong, I don't think this generation of modelers is going to replace tube amps completely but they are so good that there aren't many applications where it will NOT be a suitable alternative.
sbecker67
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Tuesday is jam night. I'm going to try it straight to the powered speaker I bought to use it with first. If it doesn't cut then I'll try going into the PA with the speaker as a monitor and see if that's any better.
Even if it does suck in this type of band environment, the 11R is a great home solution so it's a keeper. If it doesn't work with the band as I would like, it just means I keep two of my current amps instead of one; a stack for when I do get to crank it up at home and a combo to take to jams.
Tuesday is jam night. I'm going to try it straight to the powered speaker I bought to use it with first. If it doesn't cut then I'll try going into the PA with the speaker as a monitor and see if that's any better.
Even if it does suck in this type of band environment, the 11R is a great home solution so it's a keeper. If it doesn't work with the band as I would like, it just means I keep two of my current amps instead of one; a stack for when I do get to crank it up at home and a combo to take to jams.
Mattr4president
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One of those Tech 21 Power engine 1x12's would be an awesome little set-up with that 11R
One of those Tech 21 Power engine 1x12's would be an awesome little set-up with that 11R
donaldr
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Sorry to resurrect an old thread but I'm looking at a solution to jam with friends using my 11R
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Stratman
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I have two Eleven Racks running one Eleven Rack with Voodoo Lab Ground Control Pro and (2) QCS K12 and (1) QSC KSub powered FR speakers and the other Eleven Rack with a Behringer FB1010 (With Eureka prom) and (2) EV SxA250 powered FR speakers. Both sound good with the EV SxA 250 speakers sounding slightly better.
I purchased the first 11R for $899 from Musiciansfriend and the second off ebay for $375 that also has the Sweetwater sound modules.
I tried the Line6 500 pod, AxeFX (Sounded the best but was too expensive and is hard to preset live) and the 11 rack. It the studio all sounded good, but in the live setting Line 6 was the lower sounding quality, 11R good and easy to set via MIDI, and the AxeFX best but hard to use mid-song changes.
I returned the Line6 , sold the AxeFX and purchased a second 11Rack.
Like I said, the 11 Racks are set up differently and used in different environments. One studio and the other set up and left in the BAR for nightly shows. These pictures were taken while still trying out different arrangements about one year ago.
I have two Eleven Racks running one Eleven Rack with Voodoo Lab Ground Control Pro and (2) QCS K12 and (1) QSC KSub powered FR speakers and the other Eleven Rack with a Behringer FB1010 (With Eureka prom) and (2) EV SxA250 powered FR speakers. Both sound good with the EV SxA 250 speakers sounding slightly better.
I purchased the first 11R for $899 from Musiciansfriend and the second off ebay for $375 that also has the Sweetwater sound modules.
I tried the Line6 500 pod, AxeFX (Sounded the best but was too expensive and is hard to preset live) and the 11 rack. It the studio all sounded good, but in the live setting Line 6 was the lower sounding quality, 11R good and easy to set via MIDI, and the AxeFX best but hard to use mid-song changes.
I returned the Line6 , sold the AxeFX and purchased a second 11Rack.
Like I said, the 11 Racks are set up differently and used in different environments. One studio and the other set up and left in the BAR for nightly shows. These pictures were taken while still trying out different arrangements about one year ago.
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