Poll: Would you buy this guitar if you could?

Poll: Would you buy this guitar if you could?

  • Hellz yes!

    Votes: 6 9.7%
  • I guess if I wanted to.

    Votes: 10 16.1%
  • Indifferent

    Votes: 13 21.0%
  • No, I don't think it's very cool.

    Votes: 27 43.5%
  • I'd rather jump from a building than have to play that.

    Votes: 6 9.7%

  • Total voters
    62
Re: Poll: Would you buy this guitar if you could?

I don't think it looks bad. I actually think the somewhat diamond shaped mounting ring for the pickup selector looks stylish. The pickup mounting bezels maybe not so much.

But what's the story with the electronics and pickups? Synth ready? Low impedance?
 
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Found this info on it. Interesting. Could be something that a lot of recording studios will want to have on hand for recording direct to Pro Tools and whatnot.
Hex outs will interest some players too.
Like the post says, it's something aimed at "high tech axe slingers". Let's just say a lot of us would not fall in that niche.
 
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I've posted the pictures in the original thread.

https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?t=178478

I don't mind being used again because it helps to get my point across.

Guess which one I've voted for? Crusty, see you at the ER! :eyecrazy: :eyecrazy: :eyecrazy:

Edit: I've found those pictures of the finished prototype.

dusktiger1.jpg


dusktiger2.jpg


This is what Gibson calls "innovation"? Old ideas that never worked in the past put together in a package with the thinking of putting together two wrongs makes one right, so if you put many wrongs together you make one great?

Yeah, right.

Those metallic inserts make it look like a guitar made for the Borg. Maybe that's their target?

Seven of Nine, eat your heart out! Finally got the right guitar for ya!
 
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The top looks like faux-wood paneling, the kind you'd find in the Brady Bunch family room. I'm not into actives either. I wouldn't jump off a building to avoid playing this thing, but I might jump a barbed-wire fence.

- Keith
 
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I can't take a guitar seriously that has that much useless chrome all over it.

Could you find me an example of useful chrome? The only thing I can think of is a chrome mirror right now. Other than that, it's all useless. I mean, you don't need chrome on your car, you don't need chrome on anything really. It's only purpose is to look good...
 
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dusktiger1.jpg


I actually thing the entire optical concept has a nice flow to it that for a Gibson is actually refreshing.

Do I like it as a vintage Les Paul?? NO, but that´s not what´s it´s supposed to be, and something the purists will have to get over, because nobody ever wanted them to like it in the first place. :laugh2:

Most people will complain about everything Gibson releases that´s not a perfect copy of a ´59 burst for 500$, and Gibson knows that. TBH they have a **** good reason not to listen to us IMO.

I...

This is what Gibson calls "innovation"? Old ideas that never worked in the past put together in a package with the thinking of putting together two wrongs makes one right, so if you put many wrongs together you make one great?
Which of these ideas "failed"??

1. Low Impedance pus were first introduced on the LP recording in the 70s, and the primary issue at that time was simply crappy electrinics in general.... the technology was not there to use the idea to it´s fullest. But EMGs are also still around, and your post kind of implies that they fail too, because actiuves are merely the logical step forward when talking about low impedance foir longer cable runs, less loss of highs, more compatibility with outboard units.....

I agree that Low-Z PUs were a semi-duck back then, but apparently they were good enough for Pete Townshend and other greats of the time... I don´t however agree that Gibson is to be faulted for it, as a similarly timed offering from Fender didn´t fare much better... Studios wanted, Gibson listened, electronics industry dropped the ball ;)

2. The Robot guitars are scorned on forums, as are the Dark Fires, but that hasn´t stopped Gibson from putting the Robot system on even more guitar models and selling them like nuts, too. Just because a lot of guitarists on the internet don´t like it doesn´t mean that a freaking ****load of guitarists that don´t surf boards but gather their experiences in RL won`t love it ;)

3. When did Gibson´s tonal modeling technology (that just about nobody here save EP and other music store employees has ever used, mind you) fail?? Oh, that´s right, it failed so hard before market introduction last year that Gibson still puts it on the Dark Fire guitars to this day.

4. When did Piezos on electrics fail? The Farker Fly, Ibanez Piezo-Edge trems (I think they call them Double edge or something like that), Graphtech´s Ghost... Oh, crap, they never did...

5. When did Hex outputs for midi wquipped guitarists fail?? Even Fender still makes a strat with a factory installed Roland GK-2 pickup....

Features you personally do want? Yes, certainly. But failing is something different. I don´t want or like a Toyota Prius, but calling it a "failure" displays a dissociation to reality that can only be reached though massive amounts of psychoactive substances or years of interstellar travel.

I can understand traditionalists not liking it from a visual (and maybe later tonal) standpoint, and I can understand peopole not liking technologies after trying them. But what goes on here is just spewing and spewing and spewing without any detractor ever offering even a single verifiable fact or even having ever seen one in person.

I find it a bit unsettling becasue we, as musicians, are some of the people on this planet who need an open mind the most. But as soon as somebody hears "Gibson", the pitchforks and torches get pulled out and everyone goes on a witch hunt. :smack:

Just out of curiosity, what are all the traditionalists going to do when this thing or one of it´s improved successors flat out nails the tones of x amount of well known Gibson guitars like Pearly, Page´s LP, Clapton´s SG or BB´s Lucille? Will it still be "fail", or will you all be able to come to terms with the fact that this guitar was designed for THAT application, recording, and not for rockstar posing in front of a mirror, and that it does what it was designed to do pretty **** well?:eek13:
 
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Re: Poll: Would you buy this guitar if you could?

dusktiger1.jpg


I actually thing the entire optical concept has a nice flow to it that for a Gibson is actually refreshing.

Do I like it as a vintage Les Paul?? NO, but that´s not what´s it´s supposed to be, and something the purists will have to get over, because nobody ever wanted them to like it in the first place. :laugh2:

Most people will complain about everything Gibson releases that´s not a perfect copy of a ´59 burst for 500$, and Gibson knows that. TBH they have a **** good reason not to listen to us IMO.


Which of these ideas "failed"??

1. Low Impedance pus were first introduced on the LP recording in the 70s, and the primary issue at that time was simply crappy electrinics in general.... the technology was not there to use the idea to it´s fullest. But EMGs are also still around, and your post kind of implies that they fail too, because actiuves are merely the logical step forward when talking about low impedance foir longer cable runs, less loss of highs, more compatibility with outboard units.....

I agree that Low-Z PUs were a semi-duck back then, but apparently they were good enough for Pete Townshend and other greats of the time... I don´t however agree that Gibson is to be faulted for it, as a similarly timed offering from Fender didn´t fare much better... Studios wanted, Gibson listened, electronics industry dropped the ball ;)

2. The Robot guitars are scorned on forums, as are the Dark Fires, but that hasn´t stopped Gibson from putting the Robot system on even more guitar models and selling them like nuts, too. Just because a lot of guitarists on the internet don´t like it doesn´t mean that a freaking ****load of guitarists that don´t surf boards but gather their experiences in RL won`t love it ;)

3. When did Gibson´s tonal modeling technology (that just about nobody here save EP and other music store employees has ever used, mind you) fail?? Oh, that´s right, it failed so hard before market introduction last year that Gibson still puts it on the Dark Fire guitars to this day.

4. When did Piezos on electrics fail? The parker Fly, IbanegPiezo-egdge trems, Graphtech´s ghost... Oh, crap, they never did...

I can understand traditionalists not liking it from a visual and tonal standpoint, and I can understand peopole not liking technologies after trying them. But what goes on here is just spewing and spewing and spewing without any detractor ever offering even a single verifiable fact or even having ever seen one in person.

I find it a bit unsettling becasue we, as musicians, are some of the people on this planet who need an open mind the most. But as soon as somebody hears "Gibson", the pitchforks and torches get pulled out and everyone goes on a witch hunt. :smack:

I've already posted my arguments in this thread:

https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showpost.php?p=2335306&postcount=46

I've only missed the piezo... which as a technological feature it's been working reasonably well in ACOUSTIC GUITARS. In the case you haven't noticed, we're talking 'bout a GIBSON LES PAUL here. It's useful ONLY if you don't want to change your guitar to fake an acoustic sound... which sounds... well... fake!

If I REALLY wanted to do something good for tone, I would've licensed Line 6 technology to put in Gibson guitars 'cause as we all know very well, Line 6 guitars as instruments suck tremendously, and then some. That ,my friend, would it seriously be "innovation". The marriage of the finest craftmanship of over a century of guitar making put together with the greatest modeling technology on the market right now.

Imagine this: from one instrument you could get the classic Gibson tone and be able to mod it to your heart's desire and connected to your favorite amp to get the tone you're used to, or to use the XLR ourtput to connect it DIRECTLY to the main PA having an more than credible acoustic guitar sound, or even a 12-string acoustic... and be able to pilot a synth with the piezos located under the bridge...

All of this WITHOUT touching the basic beauty of the Les Paul timeless and classy design adding chrome patches that would make a Borg cringe!

I hope now it's understood why I complain 'bout this lame, sick and loser idea coming from a Suite that never touched a guitar in his/her friggin' miserable life!
 
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Worst inlays ever, imo.

Also, the way the chrome is styled isn't my thing at all now that I see the entire product.
 
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.....

Imagine this: from one instrument you could get the classic Gibson tone and be able to mod it to your heart's desire and connected to your favorite amp to get the tone you're used to, or to use the XLR ourtput to connect it DIRECTLY to the main PA having an more than credible acoustic guitar sound, or even a 12-string acoustic... and be able to pilot a synth with the piezos located under the bridge...

This instrument already exists, it´s called the Line6 Variax.

http://line6.com/variax/

If you´ll look, it ALSO needs a computer to tweak sounds. And it has no magnetic pickups AT ALL, so goodbye classic "only wood and strings" electric tone.

And Line6 already having such a product in their own lineup with essentially zero competition from teh rest of the market is probably one of the best reasons in the world for L6 to not license it out ;)

All of this WITHOUT touching the basic beauty of the Les Paul timeless and classy design

Ehm, not.

All the Gibson bashers already complain about a few tonally ambiguous weight relief holes, and go completely ballistic when somebody mentions adding a Kahler, much less routing out half the guotar for a *gasp* Floyd!.

If you know how big the circuit boards are that are required to support such functionalities, you´ll quickly see why ESPECIALLY Gibson purists will really pile on the hate when this becomes onboard...

The following are replacement bodies from Warmoth, routed for Variaxe guts...

http://www.warmoth.com/Guitar/Line6/Line6.aspx

If Gibson were to put that much air in anything that´s not already at least semi-acoustic, you and I can probably both agree that the Les Paul Forum members would be the first ones buying tickets to burn down the factory with all the employees inside ;)

To me it seems like you´re asking for something to exist that we simply don´t have the technology to do yet on this one. Unless they´ve got some hypercool spaceman guitars over in Roswell that they´ve been hiding since ´47, but the last I looked NASA and the Air Force weren´t offering guitars to the public yet :D

adding chrome patches that would make a Borg cringe!
This is a purely aesthetic preference. We know you don´t like it, but looks alone do not a good guitar make, and some of us like it ;)

I hope now it's understood why I complain 'bout this lame, sick and loser idea coming from a Suite that never touched a guitar in his/her friggin' miserable life!

I understand why you´re complaining and have the whole time... I just do not believe that most of your argument is rooted in actual facts other than that you do not like the idea , teh features, or the look.

Which is absolutely ok.

But it doesn´t make the utility value of all the other features for it´s target demographic disappear or become any less innovative. And THAT is the part of your statements that I refuse to let stand :beerchug:
 
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OK, good discussion group. If this poll is any indication the Dusk Tiger ought to be somewhat successful, maybe break even.
If the chrome plate part under the bridge was only 1 spike vs 2, I'd love it. Oh well. I'd love to try it at a store sometime, looks like an interesting experience.
 
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hate

HATE

HATE

that big fugly chrome pickup ring/control cover. They could have given it lines that covered the same utility without making it look like something out of a Hot Topic clearance bin. Those bezels don't even follow the lines of the guitar.. it's like a first-draft freehand sketch got fed into the CNC and nobody bothered to do a proper vector drawing.

I kind of like the finish though.
 
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Actually the only things I don't like look-wise is that it should (IMO) have been a string-thru and that the neck chrome bezel-thingy should have had the low/right spike the other way around, following the cutaway's horn.

Otherwise I don't find anything visually objectionable about it...
 
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I'd rather jump from a building. The only things that should be chrome are:

The bridge, the tuners, the LSR nut (if applicable), and the neckplate (and its screws), if applicable. The rest should follow the SG heritage red / black formula... or the henry ford "you can have it in any color you want, so long as it's black" formula.

my .02.

Jason
 
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If I was to buy it I would take it to a paint shop or some thing. The wood with all that chrome look like crap.
 
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