Prs Se Torero anyone? need pickups (I hope I only need pickups)

[htwheelz67]

Re: Prs Se Torero anyone? need pickups (I hope I only need pickups)

I put P-rails and triple shots into my torero and it turned a great guitar into a killer guitar. You can actually get a great tone on the neck pup now.

 

[stupendous silly]

Re: Prs Se Torero anyone? need pickups (I hope I only need pickups)

Unfortunately have no experience with the Steve's Special, but still maintain the C5 is worth trying if you have the opportunity. The highs are smoother and rounder than some of the squeakier notes laugh2 in my demo would have you believe & it has ample lows/is really thick sounding too. If you have a middy sounding guitar it's a phenomenal fit. Plus you do have ample opportunities for mag swapping if you are'nt really happy with it..

I'd just levelled my frets before doing that video & had'nt crowned them & the icepick might have come from a couple of improperly treated frets..also I have a tapped finger slide thing that I do with my picking hand which basically extends off the fret board & over the pickups that can have a piercing effect which I think sounds cool but some may not :laugh2:.

When I bought that Charvel it had been lying untouched/new/unplayed for years with it's strings off and there was a bit of backbow as a result of which some of the frets were uneven & needed to be worked on..it plays like a complete dream now after a bit of work, but I bought it cheap for that reason

Other things you could try..

A perfect fit sonically would be a Lace Deathbucker (my fave humbucker) .. thick lower mids & tight deep bass (not clinically so), slightly scooped & really open mids, warm round highs ...it will do everything you describe you need and more. Despite the name it's actually a very versatile sounding pickup & will work great for any style of playing. However it's aesthtics might be a problem for some (not me )

I just put a clip with it up in this thread in the amp section here.. it's a rough studio clip with my Doom band..

https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?325667-Bugera-V22-or-Blackstar-HT50


The DMT Baker act I mentioned before is a great fit for my mahog/maple neck-through axe. It's like a JB that's had everything people don't like about that pickup sorted out (ie less "cocked wah" mids, tighter bass etc) ..but they seem to have stopped making them & they're hard to find...

Thanks a lot, I really appreciate this. I made an offer for the Custom 5 already actually, I am waiting for the guy to respond. I couldn't reach the demo you linked but I will be checking out other Deathbucker stuff on utube. I understand it is really hard to tell for sure by online listening, but I found the DMT Baker act a little dry sounding for the job, if that makes sense, so was Motor City Afwayu, another pup I would probably jump on if I considered it for a different guitar.

The Demartini pup on the other hand seems to be in the other extreme with some huge flubby lows, maybe it would work, but I can't put custom shop money in it unless I am sure. The 59/Custom is definitely in my 'get it and try' list, actually it is in my 'get it anyway' list, just not sure in what order in the list these pickups should stand. I also consider ordering a CS Antiquity JB (trembucker), because I like the results I got from the JB; except that I think some mid-scoop and smoother top-end would improve the overall tone by cutting down that 'pick-attack fizz' I mentioned. That sounded totally fugly with the early pickups I tried, and it is still there if not as pronounced.


People who know The Steve's Special, and the Wolfetone Timber Wolf, thanks in advance if you decide to share your ideas.

 

[Phantasmagoria]

Re: Prs Se Torero anyone? need pickups (I hope I only need pickups)

Fair enough..looks like you have a pretty clear idea of the sound you're going for :laugh2: ..those Wolfetone pups sound great to me..never tried one though.

This is the video that got me interested in the Deathbuckers myself years ago, just after the guy posted it up. I got my first set soon after.. I now have two more..

 

[Phantasmagoria]

Re: Prs Se Torero anyone? need pickups (I hope I only need pickups)

& here's my clip with them.. (rough studio mix..)

Hope you find what you're looking for dude :bigthumb:

 

[stupendous silly]

Re: Prs Se Torero anyone? need pickups (I hope I only need pickups)

Fair enough..looks like you have a pretty clear idea of the sound you're going for :laugh2: ..those Wolfetone pups sound great to me..never tried one though.

This is the video that got me interested in the Deathbuckers myself years ago, just after the guy posted it up. I got my first set soon after.. I now have two more..

Sure sounds good, the Deathbucker. I may have sounded too confident, when I play into the Katana, eq'ing everything makes for a cool sound easily. But when I plug into a tube amp, the JB sounds unhappily nasally and middy again. Thanks for the suggestions and clips, both sound nice.
Edit: I will hold no hard feelings for the slight sarcasm I perceived in your post, if there was any indeed, you have been very helpful.

 

[stupendous silly]

Re: Prs Se Torero anyone? need pickups (I hope I only need pickups)

Maybe I should quit chasing real good tone, and live happily wanking my life away on a processor.
Edit: and not chase good playingeither. Real good tone is there to be able to fully express what you got. It makes one sound like **** if that is what ones got. Easy to fake it on a processor.

 

[Phantasmagoria]

Re: Prs Se Torero anyone? need pickups (I hope I only need pickups)

No..no...no sarcasm at all...we're all crazy tone chaser's here. I just recognized your obsessive streak & it reminded me of my own :laugh2:

I'm no big processor fan myself (my clip up there has two raw/unprocessed rhythm tracks from my Bugera 333XL Infinium panned L+R..the lead is with some delay/verb in the loop & then my Mooer harmony pedal kicks in halfway through :bigthumb ..most times I just plug straight into my amp..nothing in front ..nothing in the loop..

The Deathbucker is very transparent & translates really well to what your feeding it into ..does'nt just 'saccharine coat' everything with it's own character..

Here's it is going into my Cicognani Brutus Live Class A head which has a raw Vox/Marshally kinda sound on the Lead 1 Channel.. (another DI/Loop pedal jam)..

I'd dialed it in more trebly & sharp here...

 

[Godin15]

Re: Prs Se Torero anyone? need pickups (I hope I only need pickups)

Nice job Bro! That's what I call shredding.

 

[stupendous silly]

Re: Prs Se Torero anyone? need pickups (I hope I only need pickups)

Hi I wanted to give a short report. I got a 59/custom hybrid but I installed it on my strat just to learn how it is going to be. That guitar had EVH Frankenstein on it since a while. It was laking in the mids department and I was pushing high output pups to fill in the mids for a fuller sound. The problem it seems, this guitar is seriously resonant and sustainy too, and high-output pups appear to make an overall unclear, fizzy (maybe because pushing the amps too hard), and unpleasantly agressive sound. Don't know how else to describe that but 59/custom fixed it, it is going to stay there for a while. Actually a relatively low output alnico 2 may do even better I think, I dont think that will be Custom Custom. For the Torero I installed a EVH Wolfgang in the bridge, and getting a pretty balanced eq and open sound from it, better than anything else I tried. I think this guitar needs a lower output pickup too, and the Hybrid may work great here as someone suggested in the posts. The explosive sound on these guitars kills clarity, and the mids of the torrero adds to that (maybe good for metal but not much else). I am not too interested to try the Custom line now, because I know I need to go lower output. Thanks for reading and have a good day.

 

[Dahla]

Re: Prs Se Torero anyone? need pickups (I hope I only need pickups)

Okay gentlemen I want to give a short progress report and get your opinions. I tried a BareKnuckle Holy Diver I removed from another guitar, mainly because it is what is recommended for this type of guitar in the past at BareKnuckle forum. It was good but still pretty stiff sounding, and didn't add the kind of juice I was looking for to the sound . So I picked up a used JB - noteworthy that it was coming out of a Jackson soloist - and bang, I am there. Not, but almost. The JB sounds squishier than anything else I tried so is a good remedy for the excessive attack. Unfortunately the infamous bottom end flub is there too, so it lacks some definition in lower strings, but I don't hear much the again infamous ice-pick in it. The sound fattened up and got smoother the way I would like. But one fundamental problem in the guitar's sound for me is still there. I didn' state it clearly because I couldn't tell what it was about, until I read someone define it as 'scratchy pick-attack' in a forum entry. There is a pervasive fizzyness in the guitar's sound, supposedly, according to the forum commentator I am drawing on, is a result of the combination of very fast attack and the high-mids focus in the guitar's natural voice. I may not have emphasized properly, but this is a very bright guitar. And although, for instance, the 59 Custom hybrid has good things said for it, like balanced mids and lower output that will alleviate some of the problems, both the C5 and the Hybrid must be pretty bright and trebly in my estimate. I may be completely wrong on this, and I actually spotted a used Custom 5 I can pick up and try (although I need to take a trip to a distant part of the district), but I am more inclined toward Dimarzio Steve's Special for the job from what I read.
Looking to hear your opinions and suggestions if all this makes sense, and be comfortable and kind enough to tell me if it does not.

What pot do you have in the guitar now? If you use a 500k pot, try a 250k pot. The low end would stay more or less the same, but you would shave off a little top end, and lower the Q (i.e. peak) of the resonant frequency a bit. Might be just the ticket, especially on a JB. I vastly prefer the JB with a 250k pot.


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[stupendous silly]

Re: Prs Se Torero anyone? need pickups (I hope I only need pickups)

What pot do you have in the guitar now? If you use a 500k pot, try a 250k pot. The low end would stay more or less the same, but you would shave off a little top end, and lower the Q (i.e. peak) of the resonant frequency a bit. Might be just the ticket, especially on a JB. I vastly prefer the JB with a 250k pot.


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Hey yes that is an idea, I think Jackson also uses some 250k pots on their Soloists with the JB - pretty much the same guitar. Someone should actually check that though. But I am past that JB phase, if you read my last post, things are going quite good, thanks for the advice and interest nevertheless. And thanks everyone who contributed.