PU Change on a Les Paul, wanna cool down...

Mothman

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Hey guys,
I am sure you have been asked this question already a few times before, but this seems to be the best place to ask it.

I have got a 1993 Gibson LP Studio LITE running into a '78 Marshall 2150 Combo (basically a Superlead-Combo with Mastervolume). Here are the specs of the guitar and amp:

Gibson LP Studio LITE
- alder top with HOLLOWED OUT mahagony back which is filled with balsa (chromite) wood
- '60s Slim Taper neck /w ebony fretboard
- Gibson 496R & 500T high output ceramic pick ups

Marshall 2150
- 100W
- Superlead layout
- 4 EL34, 3 12ax7
- unlabeled speaker (probably stock, dunno the brand)

Now I am having a little problem: I cant turn the gain on the amp more than twelve o'clock or the sound becomes an uncontrollable muddy monster. This is probably due to the high output PU (apparently the hottest Gibson is making), which just seem to literally torture the amp. Now what I was going to do, what a suprise, was changing the pickups to hopefully being able to achieve all those sweet tones usually coming from that kind of amp (right now i am just able to get a dull clean-, a decent crunch- and, as described above, this sort of "distortion"). Usually this amp is supposed to go from a really nice tubey clean to an Angus Young crunch...

What I want to achieve is quite a task. My new pickups shall be able to go from

- a springy clean (maybe additional coil-splitting would be an idea here)

to

- this kind of Travis-like ringing overdrive (their main guitarist Andy Dunlop runs a '70s LP with Mini-Humbuckers into an Orange AD120)

to

- a nice '70s overdrive/crunch

to

- nice lead tones a la Slash and the Darkness

(and maybe) to

- grinding distortion (just got an offer from that nice emo-core band...)

For the last two ones I gonna use a Radial Tonebone Hot British, coz the amp's gain by itself wouldnt get me enough drive. Also to be mentioned is that since the LP is partly filled with that balsa-/chromite block (its really nice, believe me, i ve heard many crap sounding light-weight guitars but this
one is massive in sound!), the overall sound is more... hmm maybe more balanced than you would exspect it from a LP. It takes a bit away from that massive, (in my opinion) often uncontrollable huge bottom end and also cuts the mids a bit, while it is promoting the treble a little bit more. The sound actually tends to have a little bit (but just a little bit) the flavor of a semi-hollowbody.

So now my question is: What are the right pick ups for me? Oh and by the way, do Seymour Duncans Humbuckers actually fit straight into the PU slots of Gibson LPs?


Cheers for reading all this and waiting for your suggestions!
Martin
 
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Re: PU Change on a Les Paul, wanna cool down...

I'd vote for a set of Seth Lovers or a set of Antiquities (if you want the aged mojo thing). I had some Seths in a hollowbody heritage 535 and it was just magic. That pup is just pure old style vintage PAF. The output is lower as you are requesting and you can do a lot with it. Eric Clapton's beano tone for starters. Duane Almann & Jimmy Page type stuff.
 
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hmm, the Antiquities I will most probably not be able to afford. The seth lovers seem to be nice, just... wouldnt they be pretty useless to achieve "modern" lead tones, not to speak about distortion?
 
Re: PU Change on a Les Paul, wanna cool down...

The Seths are very usable under distortion, not to worry. I would also suggest the Alnico II Pro's. The bridge will do chimey clean tones and great rock tones....all genre's. The neck pickup is absolute butter, beautiful clean tones and impressive singing sustain. To me, that is just what the doctor ordered.
 
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If you're using a pedal to get the high gain tones, you'll be fine with vintage output 'buckers. Like the other guys said - Seths, Antiquities, Alnico II Pros. There might be a slight advantage for you in the Alnico II Pros - they're potted, the Seths and Ants aren't. When you go high gain and play loud an unpotted pickup will be more prone to squealing. You might also consider '59s - brighter and more punchy than those already described, but potted also.
 
Re: PU Change on a Les Paul, wanna cool down...

springy clean?-59!
ringing overdrive?-59!
70's overdrive/punch-59!
nice lead tones-59!
grinding distortion-59!
Guess you can tell what my favorite SD pickup is.
 
Re: PU Change on a Les Paul, wanna cool down...

I have a Jazz/PG+ set in a Yamaha and it romps. If you can't find the PG+, get a Jazz/59 set.
 
Re: PU Change on a Les Paul, wanna cool down...

i have a custom custom in the bridge and an alnico 2 pro in the neck of my hamer special fm and it just sings.

balsa wood?doesnt sound too good imo was this a cheap guitar?
 
Re: PU Change on a Les Paul, wanna cool down...

na, used to cost even more than a normal studio would. Its actually quite a cool concept. Its a Les Paul weighting just a little more than a strat but still having that serious LP tone and having some nice extra stuff (e.g. the ebony fretboard) comming with it at a price just a little above the normal cheap crappy studio (i reckon the built quality of those ones today is a shame).

Hey could you maybe comment on each others a little more so that i get a comparison between the PUs?
 
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Benjy_26 said:
I have a Jazz/PG+ set in a Yamaha and it romps. If you can't find the PG+, get a Jazz/59 set.

I'm with Benjy on the Jazz n '59 b set. It's a great set and I have it in my Paul. I think it's versatile enough to do all of the things you want it to do. I think the '59 neck is a little too woofy in the neck, but the Jazz tames that a bit.

I love the Seth and the a2 buckers, but for my money the a5 humbuckers are more versatile. You can get all of the nice cleans, gainy distortion and all of the colors in between. The a2's distort a little too soon for the applications that you are talking about IMHO. If you were to go with Seths (*great* pickups BTW), the gain issue is a little overdone IMHO. Non-potting is a bit of a red herring unless you are going to be playing at Stadium volumes.
 
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I echo Jeff H and recommend a set of APH-1's.
 
Re: PU Change on a Les Paul, wanna cool down...

The Gibson Ceramics really hammer the front end of an amp. You might try a new V1 preamp tube--it may be going bad. I would do some tube swapping before I made a heavy investment in pickups.

That said, swapping out the Gibson Ceramics in my LP Classics made a huge difference--one got Antiquitys, the other got the 50th Anniv. A2 Seths from Musician's Friend. I love them both.

Just my 2 cents.

Bill
 
Re: PU Change on a Les Paul, wanna cool down...

Let me make a suggestion that could save you some money:
Before you try new pickups, try some A5 magnets.
This has been discussed over at the LPF before, and the consensus is that the 498 & 500T are actually nice sounding pickups once you change the magnets.
 
Re: PU Change on a Les Paul, wanna cool down...

I've got the LP Studio 'Swamp Ash' with the Alnico 490 & 498's. The output is too high for my tastes even though when just cranking it sounds great. I just can't turn down and clean up to my tastes. Also I lose expression.

I was thinking of replacing with either '59's or the custom EVH because they are less output. Am I on the right track?
 
Re: PU Change on a Les Paul, wanna cool down...

Those will work fine. If you still want some good drive out of the bridge, but want to clean it up when you turn down, a Custom works very well in a Les Paul.
 
Re: PU Change on a Les Paul, wanna cool down...

I also have a Studio lite.
I struggled with pickups for quite a while.
I got the neck pickup right the first time ('59n)
but bridge pickup was a real problem.
I tried dimarzio evolution, paf pro (too squeeky)
and the custom 5, ok, but boring.
just to try something else, I threw in a Jb.
with the 300k pots that are stock in the gibson, the jb sounds great.
it cleans up well, has enough low end, and lets all the harmonics shine through.
 
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yeah, i actually got quite a good offer on a '59 Neck and a JB Bridge set. Any comments on that?
 
Re: PU Change on a Les Paul, wanna cool down...

Grab'em! Can't go wrong with a classic setup like that. If they don't work in that particular guitar, they will work in something else. They are also easy to sell or trade.
 
Re: PU Change on a Les Paul, wanna cool down...

but how would an 59n & JBb setup sound like in comparison to a 2x Alnico II Pro one? Will it be suitable for my guitar paired with my amp?

Whats the story about mini-humbuckers, are there any made to fit into normal humbucker spacings? I just love the sound being in between a real humbucker and a SC.

What can you tell me about P-90/4?

Will the Duncans fit straight into my normal Gibson HB spacings?
 
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