Push/Pull and toggle combinations

PizzaMaker

PizzaMaker

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Hi all,

As per a recent post I'm about to pull apart a slightly skewed JP wiring where I got 2 of the PP Pots wired backwards in my trash LP.

I've been racking my brain as to what to do next and just for sh*ts and giggles I'd like to open up every available possibility.

What I'm looking for but cannot find are diagrams for the following:

4 push/pull pots for coil selection with 2 x 2 way toggles - 1 for phase and 1 for series

and/or the extreme...

4 push/pull pots - 2 for series/parallel between coils (1 for each pup), 1 for series/parallel between both pups and 1 for phase switching AND 2 x 3 way toggles (1 for each pup) for individual coil selection.

I don't know if either of these are possible, but if they are and someone has the wiring diagrams I would be much appreciated.
 
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I think I've figured out the first option and in hindsight, I think the second option would be a pain in the a** to keep track of.

For the first option, does this look right? Based on the first image, I'm hoping my addition in the second will do the job.

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Here's the one I'm working on. Tones are 50's style. I'm considering adding 2 more switches to choose 50's or modern.

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I considered that option, using toggles between the knobs instead of buttons on the pick guard (which I don't have or want), but having more than one control that changes phase and/or series-parallel would confuse the bejesus out of me. It looks like it's true to JP's no 2 though and that's the first diagram I've seen that has the extra switches - none if the results from Googling JP wiring actually gave true JP wiring.

If the mod I'm making works I think it gives 42 pickup select options - which sounds daunting but the select options are easy to manage - one push/pull per coil and a switch each for phase and series. I'll probably only ever use 5 or 6 of those options but hey, it's all for fun.

If I was to run with the second setup I asked about in (with parallel/series selection between coils) there would be 65 options.
 
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Did you see Joe Gore's Tone Fiend article on the Jimmy Page wiring? I think that might be worth a look if you haven't seen/heard it. http://tonefiend.com/the-pagey-project-resource-page/

Also, something I'm considering is the Seymour Duncan Triple Shot mounting rings which will give you each coil, series and parallel, then you would just need two switches for phase/series of the both pickups together.

http://www.seymourduncan.com/products/accessories/triple-shot-mou/triple_shot_swi/
 
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No I hadn't - and I hadn't seen those triple shots either.

They're going in my next build around a set of p-rails. They're genius!
 
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BTW - here's another tool at our disposal. There's a number of things that can be done with this one.

http://www.allparts.com/EP-4465-000-6-way-Free-Way-Toggle-Switch_p_1438.html

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Wow, too much to choose from!

The next build will be jaguar-tele-strat-ish surf-rock type of beast in appearance so I think I'll use a standard tele 3 way with the rings around p-rails and 2 push pulls. If I'm right, I'll get at least the tonal variety I'm going for in this LP (my profile pic) or even the 65 tones I mentioned earlier.

It's a shame shoegaze music died - when the next build is done it will be perfect for it in both appearance and sound manipulation capability.
 
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Yeah, I can see why you don't want the pickguard on the Paul. It's a beaut. (Though a classic 5-ply black would look classy on it also IMHO.)

Shoegaze actually has had a mild underground resurgence in recent years, and a few groups have still been able to keep working. Certainly in 2013 MBV released their first new release in many years. There is some brewing enthusiasm in certain circles. The thing is, play what you want to play. If you wait for someone else to lead the comeback, then you are just a copycat. But if you go for it, you become the leader of the trend. To lead, you just have to take that risk and do what you want to do the way you want to do it.
 
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I only ever play what I want to - I'm thinking in terms of selling guitars, not what music I make. If there was a good shoe gaze scene in oz I reckon I'd sell a few. Surf rock looks, wall of sound tone options...

That LP was only ever intended as a trash guitar. I was given a kit to "review" for a mate who imports them. The body was junk and took hours to get it right before I put the finish on. I tried my hand at french polishing on this (never again) and have started experimenting with wiring on it, too. My background was in shaping surfboards and I've transposed this into guitars, but I've never really played with the wiring until now. I'm building a cnc router at the moment and am learning 3D rendering so builds will get a little easier and quicker.

That LP has become one of my favourites though... Never expected that!
 
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Well to cut a long story short it didn't work. I understand why I think and it's all part of the learning curve.

I put the two holes in for the toggles knowing that if it didn't work I'd be able to go with the Kevin Lynn Brown diagram above.

Back to the soldering iron.
 
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Update - I tried the wiring you're working on and was gutted when it didn't work so I shelved the guitar works for "another day".

Being a tad OCD though I kept poring over the diagram and it hit me - the problem was with the bridge side switch. I checked again and realised I had left the earth off the "neutral-on" side of said switch, meaning the entire guitar would only work in series mode :facepalm:

I didn't have the soldering iron out so I'll fix the earth in the morning and hope to our Lord Stevie Ray that it works.
 
Push/Pull and toggle combinations

Beau, your wiring diagram made me burn my fingers a dozen times on my soldering iron but it works! I haven't done the maths on how many tone options this rig gives but what sounds I have messed with are bloody awesome! I stuck 2 toggles in between the knobs, nice and easy to reach and I don't think they look too bad.

Sound mental though!
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Holy crap!!! That's so awesome!! I'd love to hear some of the tone options you're getting - even if it's just a G chord strummed with the different switch positions.

Wow, if you did that diagram you literally have the Jimmy Page #2 wiring in your Les! So cool! What a wiring job that is. I salute you, sir!
 
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Thank you, although perhaps save your salutes... On further playing around I realised that only one coil on the bridge is working. I'm guessing that while correcting an earth problem this morning I've knocked one of the wires loose from the bridge volume dpdt switch. Everything else is brilliant though. I'm heading away for a few days but when I return I'll fix the bridge and make a recording.


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Go for it! Putting it all together was a bit of a grind, but I only started playing with wiring a few weeks ago and I've managed to make it work and it was well worth the effort.
 
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