Push-pull as a kill switch help needed!

Re: Push-pull as a kill switch help needed!

Matt_Herman said:
I may have misunderstood the OP's request, however if the intention is to kill the signal (as in 'off') then shorting would work.

However if the request is for a 'blower' switch, then yes, that's something different.
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np.. i too forgot his original request.. had to go back and read my previous solution..his request was kinda odd but i think i know why he wants it like that though.. using a pot with a switch but not using the pot.. just the switch.. only thing id change from my drawing is.. the 3rd lug does not need to be grounded if the pot is not being used
 
Re: Push-pull as a kill switch help needed!

Hi Brandenburg! The diagram DOES works (thank you so much!) BUT, remember that I did ended up wanting to keep the volume working after giving it some thought?

Could you post a diagram where the volume pot is working normally and the DPDT kills it when UP? I'm
Guessing it's your first drawing, but, could u let me know which colours (on your drawing) are hot/ground FROM the pickups and the same for the wires going into the jack?

Thanks!!!
 
Re: Push-pull as a kill switch help needed!

LEOVAN83 said:
Hi Brandenburg! The diagram DOES works (thank you so much!) BUT, remember that I did ended up wanting to keep the volume working after giving it some thought?

Could you post a diagram where the volume pot is working normally and the DPDT kills it when UP? I'm
Guessing it's your first drawing, but, could u let me know which colours (on your drawing) are hot/ground FROM the pickups and the same for the wires going into the jack?

Thanks!!!
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yea.. ill look it over in a bit.. i have to do something for my son atm.. im also a pc tech type person too..lol
 
Re: Push-pull as a kill switch help needed!

question.. do you want a kill switch and bypass but still use the volume pot.. not possible with a push/pull.. i can do a volume bypass/kill or a volume bypass/regular volume or a kill/regular volume

id just do a volume bypass/regular volume and have a switch for the kill.. if you want all 3
 
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Brandenburg said:
question.. do you want a kill switch and bypass but still use the volume pot.. not possible with a push/pull.. i can do a volume bypass/kill or a volume bypass/regular volume or a kill/regular volume

id just do a volume bypass/regular volume and have a switch for the kill.. if you want all 3
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I guess it will be KILL/REGULAR VOLUME, meaning:

PULL = KILL
PUSH = VOLUME IS ACTIVE (regular volume, meaning that I can roll the volume up or down).
 
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Oh! Considering I'm kinda new to this, if you could please remember that I need to know where to solder the HOT and the GROUND coming from the pickup (I haven't seen the ground wire on the other diagrams I posted, at least the one coming from the guitar). Thanks so much!!!
 
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hope this helps.. ground is black.. other wires are labled.. ground from the pup can be soldered on thew back of the pup.. I ussually do it on the lil' ledge where the switch and pot connect.. makes soldering fairly easy..

sry for the delay .. just been very distracted and bumb'ed out a tad

 
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Brandenburg said:
hope this helps.. ground is black.. other wires are labled.. ground from the pup can be soldered on thew back of the pup.. I ussually do it on the lil' ledge where the switch and pot connect.. makes soldering fairly easy..

sry for the delay .. just been very distracted and bumb'ed out a tad

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Thanks again But in confused. Let me explain:

I use EMGs with the solderless thing and the buss. I have a cable that has HOT and GROUND wires coming out of this buss which already contains the 3 way toggle connected to it. So I need to know where to solder the HOT and the GROUND in the p/p from the buss. Also, where to connect the wires (hot and ground) going to the output jack. I'm asking because again I'm seeing only ONE wire coming in (I don't see the ground together) and same going out.)

Thanks!!
 
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hot is the 1st lug.. "to Switch".. ground is connected to the pot.... doesnt really matter as ground is ground..so anywhere on the pot.. same with the output jack.. the wire coming from the middle lug of the switch.. ground is anywhere on the pot

never used any kind of solderless system.. so sry i cant be of more help in that area
 
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Brandenburg said:
hot is the 1st lug.. "to Switch".. ground is connected to the pot.... doesnt really matter as ground is ground..so anywhere on the pot.. same with the output jack.. the wire coming from the middle lug of the switch.. ground is anywhere on the pot

never used any kind of solderless system.. so sry i cant be of more help in that area
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Gotcha!

1) Do I need to bend the bottom right lug towards the pot , as usual al volume pots?

2) Does it matter (is it better?) if I solder all the "grounds" (pickups and output) on ONE same spot on the pot to keep things clean?

3) Why is there an "Y" letter (or similar) on the dpdt part?

4) Finally, don't worry about the solderless stuff. I am getting two regular wires from each side of the connections towards the pot... (hot/ground from the pickups - all joined in a single ground and hot cable: same fot the output!
Thanks so mucho, u rule!!
 
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Re: Push-pull as a kill switch help needed!

1) No, but that lug will have to be grounded to something. Shouldn't matter to what or how - a wire to the jack's ground lug, or a wire soldered to the pot casing. It's just easier to bend the lug back and solder it to the pot.

2) Better is subjective, as is "clean". So long as all ground points are connected to each other, except the battery ground.

3) I think that's the logo on the pot he made the diagram from.
 
Re: Push-pull as a kill switch help needed!

My original drawing is absolutely the correct way to do a kill switch. If you short the output jack, ain't no signal getting out. Nada. It's also the most logical way to do it, as it leaves all other wiring intact. In other words, you can follow any wiring diagram just as it is. As a last step, wire a switch, any switch, to just short out the tip and ring of the output jack. (We would do this differently with active pickups.)

By doing it the "loop" way, you actually risk injecting a loud "pop" or hum as you operate the switch. There will be a short period where you "float" the output as the electrical contact transitions of one position to the other. This is especially bad with a push-pull because they have a slower reaction time than a toggle or push-button.

My technique is simple to test. Unscrew one cover off your output jack cable and short it out. No signal. ;)

Artie
 
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ArtieToo said:
My original drawing is absolutely the correct way to do a kill switch. If you short the output jack, ain't no signal getting out. Nada. It's also the most logical way to do it, as it leaves all other wiring intact. In other words, you can follow any wiring diagram just as it is. As a last step, wire a switch, any switch, to just short out the tip and ring of the output jack. (We would do this differently with active pickups.)

By doing it the "loop" way, you actually risk injecting a loud "pop" or hum as you operate the switch. There will be a short period where you "float" the output as the electrical contact transitions of one position to the other. This is especially bad with a push-pull because they have a slower reaction time than a toggle or push-button.

My technique is simple to test. Unscrew one cover off your output jack cable and short it out. No signal. ;)

Artie
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Artie I'm using active EMGs.

I just need the push pull on the one knob my guitar has; I don't want to cut any wires or anything, just wire it normally.
 
Re: Push-pull as a kill switch help needed!

ArtieToo said:
My original drawing is absolutely the correct way to do a kill switch. If you short the output jack, ain't no signal getting out. Nada. It's also the most logical way to do it, as it leaves all other wiring intact. In other words, you can follow any wiring diagram just as it is. As a last step, wire a switch, any switch, to just short out the tip and ring of the output jack. (We would do this differently with active pickups.)

By doing it the "loop" way, you actually risk injecting a loud "pop" or hum as you operate the switch. There will be a short period where you "float" the output as the electrical contact transitions of one position to the other. This is especially bad with a push-pull because they have a slower reaction time than a toggle or push-button.

My technique is simple to test. Unscrew one cover off your output jack cable and short it out. No signal. ;)

Artie
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dude.. you made a loop as well.. surely you see this.. thats what a kill switch is.. you loop the hot and ground to complete a circuit so it never actually see's the actual guitar circuit.. ground it..short it.. loop it.. its all the same in this context... now you made it independent of the main circuit..and i prefer to have the circuit work as 1 unit.. sry if i said yours would not work.. i was mistaken..

now your way might be best if he was doing a momentary always open switch.. but for this application.. dont think it will matter.. ive done it both ways and next time i have a chance ill try one guitar your way and compare it to another..3 out of my 6 guitars have kills
 
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