Lachezar Dochev
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What are the advantage and disadvantages of the two?
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Push-Push Versus Push-Pull Pots
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Brandenburg
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Re: Push-Push Versus Push-Pull Pots
push/push is easier to use in some cases.. I have a push/push and a push/pull on my dk-2.. push/push for the master volume/volume bypass and a push/pull for the n+m volume /neck always-on
in retrospect.. i should of reversed the arrangement and used the push/push for the n+m volume and the push/pull for the master volume.. when I play, sometimes my hand hits the volume hard enough to activate the push/push..
advantage/disadvantage really depends on how you choose to use them and where IMO..i prefer the push/push but as i mentioned above, they arnt the best solution in some cases
push/push is easier to use in some cases.. I have a push/push and a push/pull on my dk-2.. push/push for the master volume/volume bypass and a push/pull for the n+m volume /neck always-on
in retrospect.. i should of reversed the arrangement and used the push/push for the n+m volume and the push/pull for the master volume.. when I play, sometimes my hand hits the volume hard enough to activate the push/push..
advantage/disadvantage really depends on how you choose to use them and where IMO..i prefer the push/push but as i mentioned above, they arnt the best solution in some cases
ericmeyer4
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Re: Push-Push Versus Push-Pull Pots
Generally push-push is a little easier for switching on the fly. However, push-pull provides a good visual representation of what setting you have activated.
Generally push-push is a little easier for switching on the fly. However, push-pull provides a good visual representation of what setting you have activated.
Lachezar Dochev
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Re: Push-Push Versus Push-Pull Pots
What about durability? I was told the push-push (which I like better for the moment) is more likly to wear off in time and cause problems... True?
What about durability? I was told the push-push (which I like better for the moment) is more likly to wear off in time and cause problems... True?
Re: Push-Push Versus Push-Pull Pots
both my push-pull dimarzios gave me problems.
both my push-pull dimarzios gave me problems.
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Little Pigbacon
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Re: Push-Push Versus Push-Pull Pots
I haven't had any problems with a push-pull yet. The ones I've used have been the Allparts or similar. I put them in the tone location to keep them out of the way. (Also, because I don't want to solder thirty wires to them.) Even then, they can get in the way of a vintage Strat arm.
I haven't had any problems with a push-pull yet. The ones I've used have been the Allparts or similar. I put them in the tone location to keep them out of the way. (Also, because I don't want to solder thirty wires to them.) Even then, they can get in the way of a vintage Strat arm.
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Funkfingers
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I have mid-Eighties Ibanez push-push pots that still work.
I have mid-Eighties Ibanez push-push pots that still work.
Lachezar Dochev
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Thanks! That's a score for my cause. Just checked ther ibanez online store - they don't have them.
Thanks! That's a score for my cause. Just checked ther ibanez online store - they don't have them.
aleclee
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Re: Push-Push Versus Push-Pull Pots
The push-push is more complex from a mechanical standpoint and that's never good for reliability. In practice, I'd expect a good switch to last a long time in a guitar application unless you're just banging on the thing. If it's good for 100K cycles, how long would you go before hitting that count?
Lachezar Dochev
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Re: Push-Push Versus Push-Pull Pots
I need a pair to chose between the two coils of a humbucker plus the series/paralel modes. (It's a HSS Strat) I believe that I'll be pressing them more often at the start as the PU is new and less later on when I learn the sounds better. I also think to add a "fast lane" button for a quick jump to the full humbucking bridge mode from any of the combinations.
I need a pair to chose between the two coils of a humbucker plus the series/paralel modes. (It's a HSS Strat) I believe that I'll be pressing them more often at the start as the PU is new and less later on when I learn the sounds better. I also think to add a "fast lane" button for a quick jump to the full humbucking bridge mode from any of the combinations.
stratguy23
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Re: Push-Push Versus Push-Pull Pots
I don't know if this true for all push-push pots, but I bought a guitar that had one installed, and in the second position, the knob pops up, like the "pull" position of a push-pull pot.
So in terms of visual indication, for that guitar, at least, push-push is equal to push-pull.
From that guitar alone, I prefer push-push, since I can just bang on the pot with my closed picking hand to yield the second position. With a push-pull pot, I have to uncurl some fingers to pull up the knob, which is more complicated.
I don't know if this true for all push-push pots, but I bought a guitar that had one installed, and in the second position, the knob pops up, like the "pull" position of a push-pull pot.
So in terms of visual indication, for that guitar, at least, push-push is equal to push-pull.
From that guitar alone, I prefer push-push, since I can just bang on the pot with my closed picking hand to yield the second position. With a push-pull pot, I have to uncurl some fingers to pull up the knob, which is more complicated.
Diego
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I remember reading comments here that push-pulls were more reliable than push-push switches.
So I went with push-pulls and haven't really thought about this, but I've had to replace push-pull pots 3 times in 10 years.
Which in guitar universe, is crap reliability.
Just FYI. I guess I'll try push-push next time.
I remember reading comments here that push-pulls were more reliable than push-push switches.
So I went with push-pulls and haven't really thought about this, but I've had to replace push-pull pots 3 times in 10 years.
Which in guitar universe, is crap reliability.
Just FYI. I guess I'll try push-push next time.
Pontiac Jack
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In the 90's,I fitted a lot of Yamaha push/push pots. They were MIJ and were strong and reliable. Plus they were the only ones I could source locally. (No internet in the olden days,sonny.....). They were tiny,so you could fit them into just about any situation.
The only problem I ever found with push/pull pots,was some clients with guitars like Strats with push on knobs would get over enthusiastic and pull the knob straight off the pot shaft. And you don't want to get stranded on stage with your knob in your hand!
Cheers PJ
In the 90's,I fitted a lot of Yamaha push/push pots. They were MIJ and were strong and reliable. Plus they were the only ones I could source locally. (No internet in the olden days,sonny.....). They were tiny,so you could fit them into just about any situation.
The only problem I ever found with push/pull pots,was some clients with guitars like Strats with push on knobs would get over enthusiastic and pull the knob straight off the pot shaft. And you don't want to get stranded on stage with your knob in your hand!
Cheers PJ
Lachezar Dochev
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Re: Push-Push Versus Push-Pull Pots
Thank you all!
I'm going for the push-pushs. Any recommendations on maker/supplier?
Cheers!
Thank you all!
I'm going for the push-pushs. Any recommendations on maker/supplier?
Cheers!
blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: Push-Push Versus Push-Pull Pots
+1. You can look at push-pull(s) and know what's on or off; that's a big benefit on stage. For that reason, I wouldn't want to own a push-push.
+1. You can look at push-pull(s) and know what's on or off; that's a big benefit on stage. For that reason, I wouldn't want to own a push-push.
Pontiac Jack
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Guitar Fetish stock both push/push and push /pull in 250 and 500k.
SoundAt11
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Re: Push-Push Versus Push-Pull Pots
I've used Push-Push pots off an on for years. The problem with them is that because it is spring loaded and you have to push it down to engage it, it means that your knob has to be mounted higher off the body, even in the "down" position, to allow this extra travel. So the knob is already high off the body, and then when it's in the "up" position, the know is really high off the body. That's probably okay if it's a little plastic Strat knob. For me, I use tall barrel knobs and witchhat knobs, so they end up sticking up way to high and looking stupid. I recently ordered some Push-Pull pots and am not looking back.
I've used Push-Push pots off an on for years. The problem with them is that because it is spring loaded and you have to push it down to engage it, it means that your knob has to be mounted higher off the body, even in the "down" position, to allow this extra travel. So the knob is already high off the body, and then when it's in the "up" position, the know is really high off the body. That's probably okay if it's a little plastic Strat knob. For me, I use tall barrel knobs and witchhat knobs, so they end up sticking up way to high and looking stupid. I recently ordered some Push-Pull pots and am not looking back.
Jackson Distortion
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I've never even heard of Push-Push. Well, excluding the Cinderella song.
Making sure your Push-Pull knob grips well is a good idea. I have a B.C. Rich Contour Mockingbird with a knurled barrel tone knob for single-coil tones and the grip is suspect.
I've never even heard of Push-Push. Well, excluding the Cinderella song.
Making sure your Push-Pull knob grips well is a good idea. I have a B.C. Rich Contour Mockingbird with a knurled barrel tone knob for single-coil tones and the grip is suspect.
DrNewcenstein
He Did the Monster Mash
Re: Push-Push Versus Push-Pull Pots
I had a push-push on one guitar after having used push-pull on everything else for years. I forgot it was a push-push, so saw that it was Down, and pulled Up on it. Pulled the shaft right out.
They're definitely easier to operate while playing a song, and the travel distance isn't all that much so you're not going to have massive clearance between the knob and the surface.
I had a push-push on one guitar after having used push-pull on everything else for years. I forgot it was a push-push, so saw that it was Down, and pulled Up on it. Pulled the shaft right out.
They're definitely easier to operate while playing a song, and the travel distance isn't all that much so you're not going to have massive clearance between the knob and the surface.
