Question about the Peter Green mod.

[jalguitarman]

Hi all, I am thinking I want to have at least one of my Les Paul style guitars (Most likely the SE Bernie Marsden) have the capability of doing the middle position out of phase sound ala Peter Green. My question is: will it sound different if I were to have a push pull wired to reverse the phase on one of the humbuckers as opposed to actually rotating the magnet on one of them? In other words do I actually have to rotate the magnet on one of the pickups to get that tone? Thank you as always.

 

[Chistopher]

Re: Question about the Peter Green mod.

Nope, electrical and magnetic phase shifting sound exactly the same. Either will work.

 

[zionstrat]

Re: Question about the Peter Green mod.

Nope, electrical and magnetic phase shifting sound exactly the same. Either will work.

+1

Very easy mod, either way, but nice to flip with push pull. I've recently come to enjoy this tone by itself, but previously, I usually added pups in series to get an entirely different sound that's an additional push/pull away.

 

[jalguitarman]

Re: Question about the Peter Green mod.

It's not that big of deal I suppose but I thought it would be cool if the middle position on that guitar didn't have to be just one sound or the other as I do like the normal middle position tone.

 

[AlexR]

Re: Question about the Peter Green mod.

Remember that if your pickup is braided wire that the chassis ground will need to be separated from the pickup lead.

 

[blueman335]

Re: Question about the Peter Green mod.

Very easy mod, either way, but nice to flip with push pull. I've recently come to enjoy this tone by itself, but previously, I usually added pups in series to get an entirely different sound that's an additional push/pull away.

Actually I like the two combined (phase and series) better than phase on it's own, which is something you get with the Jimmy Page system.

 

[zionstrat]

Re: Question about the Peter Green mod.

Yep, that's what I was suggesting... Series by itself is usually too much except with thin pups like a tele.

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[jalguitarman]

Re: Question about the Peter Green mod.

Actually I like the two combined (phase and series) better than phase on it's own, which is something you get with the Jimmy Page system.

Hmm, I may have to look into that.

 

[beaubrummels]

Re: Question about the Peter Green mod.

Phase + series is almost a necessity as it's the only way to keep the level up similar to how they were individually. The only other way is to always roll one of the pickups off when out of phase, so you only ever use partial out of phase. (Or hardwire a partial out of phase, if you know what values work for you.)

 

[blueman335]

Re: Question about the Peter Green mod.

Phase + series is almost a necessity as it's the only way to keep the level up similar to how they were individually. The only other way is to always roll one of the pickups off when out of phase, so you only ever use partial out of phase. (Or hardwire a partial out of phase, if you know what values work for you.)

Phase with the PU's linked in parallel (the standard way) is weak and has a noticeable volume drop. Linking them in series gives some testosterone to the sound.

 

[blueman335]

Re: Question about the Peter Green mod.

Yep, that's what I was suggesting... Series by itself is usually too much except with thin pups like a tele.

Not really, if the neck HB is in coil cut: you get a boost from them being linked in series, with the added clarity of a single coil in there. This is another sound you can get with The Jimmy Page system.

 

[AlexR]

Re: Question about the Peter Green mod.

Phase with the PU's linked in parallel (the standard way) is weak and has a noticeable volume drop. Linking them in series gives some testosterone to the sound.

This is almost always true....except when the pickups are wound for that tone in the first place. Or you fluke it with 2 pickup right for the operation.
I'd guess its a less than 1% success chance, although I've had 2 pickup sets accidentally OOP that worked really well.

 

[zionstrat]

Re: Question about the Peter Green mod.

Not really, if the neck HB is in coil cut: you get a boost from them being linked in series, with the added clarity of a single coil in there. This is another sound you can get with The Jimmy Page system.

"with thin pups like tele" = single coils... Series by itself is usually mud with humbuckers and high output pups.

And out of phase by itself can be a great sound. It is weak, however, it can thin out thick guitars, provide tightness and can cut through the mix, especially with crunch.

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