question on '59n/CC for Epi LP...

[blueman335]

Re: question on '59n/CC for Epi LP...

For the vintage PAF sound, I use a '59B with 250K pots for warmth. Could get to the same place with 500K's and an A4. For an aggressive sound that distorts easily, especially for solos, I like a C5, also with 250K's.

My favorite guitarists & tones are the late 1960's Britisg blues/rock bands, and these are the sounds I'm going for on many of my guitars. We have that in common.

 

[mi_canuck]

Re: question on '59n/CC for Epi LP...

blueman - i figured you'd respond and glad you did... eventhough i don't agree with you on the JB )) i do appreciate your feedback and we do overlap on the late 60's rock brit rock stuff (although that's way before my time lol (and i still like overall the modern alternative stuff like tool, nirvana, pumpkins, qotsa, etc. )...

what's your thought on the SH-15 - from the little info that's out there on these forums, seems like it's a bit like a hotter/tighter C5 although nothing really firm on that claim...

i think my choices are narrowed down to 59B, C5, or SH-15... the latter is still shrouded somewhat in mystery at the moment...

i really wish SD would put clips of both SH-14 (which still aren't available in the tone chart) and the SH-15 - which is still new so understandable, but SD needs to get their act together and add those sound clips for people to get a feel for the tone...


peace

 

[ubertwerp]

Re: question on '59n/CC for Epi LP...

For the vintage PAF sound, I use a '59B with 250K pots for warmth. Could get to the same place with 500K's and an A4. For an aggressive sound that distorts easily, especially for solos, I like a C5, also with 250K's.

My favorite guitarists & tones are the late 1960's Britisg blues/rock bands, and these are the sounds I'm going for on many of my guitars. We have that in common.

IMO the 59B is not only good for 60s british blues rock bands but for any blues
,rock,hard rock and even metal-I love that pickup-I think its the benchmark to judge all the rest -my favorite pickup hands down

I wish I had tried it first before anything else-but I have learned a lot and a had a lot of fun along the way from experimenting with several other duncan and dimarzios

 

[Rowan]

Re: question on '59n/CC for Epi LP...

Canuck of the bands you listed are you looking for their lead tones or rhythm tones?

 

[mi_canuck]

Re: question on '59n/CC for Epi LP...

Canuck of the bands you listed are you looking for their lead tones or rhythm tones?

probably mostly rhythm, with the odd lead.

 

[mi_canuck]

Re: question on '59n/CC for Epi LP...

IMO the 59B is not only good for 60s british blues rock bands but for any blues
,rock,hard rock and even metal-I love that pickup-I think its the benchmark to judge all the rest -my favorite pickup hands down

I wish I had tried it first before anything else-but I have learned a lot and a had a lot of fun along the way from experimenting with several other duncan and dimarzios

that sounds encouraging... i don't think i can go wrong with the 59B... the worst i can do is at least try it


cheers

 

[Robert Delahunt]

Re: question on '59n/CC for Epi LP...

I just picked up this mint Epiphone Les Paul Standard Plus yesterday. Heritage Cherry Sunburst. It's a '91 model. Weighs in at a healthy 9lbs.

I'll most likely eventually upgrade the pickups and electronics. I have a Jazz/JB in my Epi SG already. (Although I may end up selling it, but not sure yet).

For my Epi LP - thinking of trying maybe '59/CC(b). What I'd be gunning for is somewhat of a cross between Led Zep (Jimmy Page) and Josh Homme (Queens of the Stone Age). I believe Josh uses a CC but not sure if he uses it in his Ovation Ultra GP (which is like a LP sort of), or in his Epi Dot. But at the same wondering, wondering if I can still be able to play stuff like Tool (Adam Jones uses a JB in his Silverburst LP), Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins. Although that might contradict the above?? So with that said, should I stick with Jazz/JB in the LP as well, or go for the '59/CC (SH-11) combo, or maybe (SH-5 Custom, or SH-14 Custom5?)

cheers

I don't think if you're using a CC that you'll be able to play JB stuff by Tool. Those pickups sound very different. A CC is going to sound vintage, phat, and overwound. The JB is going to sound tight and modern. The JB seems to have upper mids crunch, while the CC has lower mids crunch. But since you already have the JB/Jazz combo in one LP, just put the '59/CC in your other LP and bring both when you gig.

 

[mi_canuck]

Re: question on '59n/CC for Epi LP...

well my other guitar is an Epi SG (G-400), not LP. But I may not end up keeping it. If something like the "Tool/Adam Jones"/JB sound is too far removed from the '59/'59 or '59/C5 sound, then I'd probably decide on the later (ie. 59/59, or 59/C5) more vintage route. And eventually get another LP with Jazz/JB or Jazz/SH-15.

peace

 

[Robert Delahunt]

Re: question on '59n/CC for Epi LP...

well my other guitar is an Epi SG (G-400), not LP. But I may not end up keeping it. If something like the "Tool/Adam Jones"/JB sound is too far removed from the '59/'59 or '59/C5 sound, then I'd probably decide on the later (ie. 59/59, or 59/C5) more vintage route. And eventually get another LP with Jazz/JB or Jazz/SH-15.

peace

Honestly, the G-400 is a beautiful guitar and an excellent bargain for the price. I would only get rid of it if you truly can't tolerate it.

Take my advice. I have been around the ebay block with several guitars so far. Granted, none of them Epiphone, but still. Selling guitars can cause you to lose out money.

 

[Rowan]

Re: question on '59n/CC for Epi LP...

Canuck the 59B is going to be good for the classic rock but I'm not sure it'll do the more modern alternative stuff very well. I had a 59B at one point and it just didn't sound very good palm muted with distortion, not enough growl. I think with a C5, Custom custom, or a even JB you can get the best of both worlds.

And I agree with twinreverb, don't sell guitars......I really miss this strat I had at one point early on :doh:

 

[mi_canuck]

Re: question on '59n/CC for Epi LP...

i appreciate the input and feedback (might end up keeping the G400...)

might end up with a C5 based on still wanting to be able to do modern stuff (although listened to the updated sound clips of the C5 SH-14 on the SD site and not sure i like it... The Custom SH-5 might be the ticket ("PAF on steroids" so it's described... from sound clips sounds decent, and not too far from '59B)... although if i keep the G400, might still go ahead with the '59B


what is the issue with a '59B having trouble with more modern alternative? not hot enough?


cheers

 

[Robert Delahunt]

Re: question on '59n/CC for Epi LP...

i appreciate the input and feedback (might end up keeping the G400...)

might end up with a C5 based on still wanting to be able to do modern stuff (although listened to the updated sound clips of the C5 SH-14 on the SD site and not sure i like it... The Custom SH-5 might be the ticket ("PAF on steroids" so it's described... from sound clips sounds decent, and not too far from '59B)... although if i keep the G400, might still go ahead with the '59B


what is the issue with a '59B having trouble with more modern alternative? not hot enough?


cheers

I don't remember the '59 I had not having enough power for most everything I would typically do from the neck. I wouldn't be playing heavy metal from the neck, for example....

The advantage of the Custom family pickups is that if you don't like the tone of it once you buy it, swap magnets to make it a Custom V, Custom Custom, etc.

 

[mi_canuck]

Re: question on '59n/CC for Epi LP...

Canuck the 59B is going to be good for the classic rock but I'm not sure it'll do the more modern alternative stuff very well. I had a 59B at one point and it just didn't sound very good palm muted with distortion, not enough growl. I think with a C5, Custom custom, or a even JB you can get the best of both worlds.

how would a pearly gates (SHPG-1) perform? seems like it has similar output to a '59B but with more midrange... ???


cheers

 

[Robert Delahunt]

Re: question on '59n/CC for Epi LP...

how would a pearly gates (SHPG-1) perform? seems like it has similar output to a '59B but with more midrange... ???


cheers

I don't know how a '59 bridge acts, but I had a Pearly Gates Plus, which is like a '59 with a tiny bit more output, sort of. It sounded like a JB but with less output to some people I've talked with. Anyways, FWIW, you could put a PG bridge in the guitar, and if you want more output, swap magnets to Alnico V.....

So many options, so little time.

 

[mi_canuck]

Re: question on '59n/CC for Epi LP...

i just stumbled on this thread... https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?t=130243

i think i will avoid the PG

i'll just give the 59B a try...