Question on new set of pups please :)

steviekool

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Hello all, first time poster here, long time Duncan user though!!

So here is the situation, and I will try to explain the best I can. I have 2 guitars, an S-series IBanez "S2075 bobinga top", which has a rosewood fingerboard. Also, I recently purchased one of these new BC Rich Exotic CLassic Mockingbird with a Koa top, ebony fingerboard, "BTW, if you get a chance to play one of these, they are quite the player, beautiful guitar. The Ibanez is a bolt on, as you would know, and the BC Rich is a neck through.

Ok, So I purchased a new set of pickups for the Ibanez, as those crappy IBZ/Dimarzios are just pure junk, in my opinion. The guitar has a hum-sing-hum setup, so I went with:

DUncan Invader in the bridge
Cool Rail in the middle
59 in the neck

I am getting some awesome tones, and the versitilty is wonderful throughout these pickups, especially with the cool rail and invader together with lots of distortion, and the cool rail with the 59, on a clean channel together. THe Cool rail I thought really puts this setup over nicely.

Anyway, my only concern, which I am not sure is a concern at all, is the output while doing 2 handed tapping. I feel no matter what pickup is used, the 2 handed tapping just sounds, well, dead. The notes are barely noticeable, unless you tap really hard, and even then, it doesnt sound that great. That is my only complaint, and concern. I thought having such a high output pickup as an invader in the bridge, 2 handed tapping would be screaming, but it really does not.

The guy that set up the guitar has the invader and the 59 about flush with the pickup frame, and the cool rail is pretty high. He said he set this up like this because the 2 invader and 59 are a lot louder, so this would keep all the volumes the same, when switching between pickups. Does this sound about right?

Now, my BC Rich, which comes with a new brand of pickups, "Rockfield Mafias", actually screams when I am 2 handed tapping on the guitar. The tone itself is not to shabby either on them, but of course not as versitile as the ibanez is now.

So, basically my question is, does this sound about right to you pickup experts? Should I not be getting such great highs fingertapping on the ibanez with this setup, because of the type of pickups I went with, or does something sound wrong?

Again, I am more than happy with the tones, and I am just kinda nitpicking, as I really dont do much tapping myself, but when I do, the tone just hurt the ears a bit :).

Thanks all in advance for any help, and if there is anyhting else I may have left out, please let me know. :)
 
Re: Question on new set of pups please :)

welcome to the forum!!

raising the pups closer to the strings will give you more output and sensitivity. you may have a little volume drop when you flip to the middle pup but if you are using a decent amount of gain, you wont actually be any less loud, just less distorted.

there is no reason that tapping should be quiet with those pups. the guitar itself may be playing a factor though
 
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I'm pretty much running the same pickup combo as you except I have a single coil in the neck.

People make way to big of a deal out of volume drops. If it's an issue, you do have a volume pot.

Get those pickups closer to the strings, you'll be alot better off!
 
Re: Question on new set of pups please :)

OK, so I guess I got these pickups way to low to the body, thats what it sounds like from you guys. Thanks for the replies.

Stupid question, but I am not a tech or anything, I just need to twist the one screw next to each side of the pups to raise, correct?

Thanks again all, I will report back with an update to see if this worked out.
 
Re: Question on new set of pups please :)

Yep, just tighten the screws to raise and losen to lower.

Set the pickups fairly close but keep checking for any issues with sustain.

Fret the last fret and make sure the pickups aren't hitting the strings. Wouldn't be a bad idea to play as you're adjusting them so that you get them where they sound best.
 
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Re: Question on new set of pups please :)

As for the tapping issue, i believe what Jeremy said might be the only thing i can think of as well. Its probably the guitar not the pickups. I had a similar issue with my les paul.
 
Re: Question on new set of pups please :)

As for the tapping issue, i believe what Jeremy said might be the only thing i can think of as well. Its probably the guitar not the pickups. I had a similar issue with my les paul.

Ken,

May I ask what you mean by that? Do you mean the particular wood, or are you talking about something else? I would figure, an S model Ibanez is pretty much a shredder guitar, and you would assume that tapping should be something the axe should exel at, or am I wrong?

Thanks :)
 
Re: Question on new set of pups please :)

i cant be sure as well, i believe that its possible that the guitar might not be well setup for that. talk to a local tech about it, he might have an answer. because with those pickups, theres no way u cant hear ur taps
 
Re: Question on new set of pups please :)

Set your action as low as possible without fretting out or having too much buzz.

The lower your action is, the better tapping will sound.
 
Re: Question on new set of pups please :)

To me , its not about keeping all the pickup volumes the same, its getting each one to sound its best and then maybe adjust a little to balance them. Very rarely do you see many middle pickups higher than the bridge. Play with them a little , you'll be amazed what a difference just a little adjustment can make.
 
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I definitely will KJ, as soon as I get out of this cubicle, I am headed home to mess around with them :)
 
Re: Question on new set of pups please :)

Ok guys, I am back next day with the verdict....

I went home after work last night, and messed around adjusting the pickup heights on both the invader and the 59. I raised both of them considerably, and .............WOW!!!!

I mean, what a difference! I was happy with the tones before, but like I said, the notes where dead on the high side 2 handed tapping. Now, its almost effortless with both pickups!! Not even that, but the tone that comes out of that 59 now is something else!! I cant believe how much of a difference raising the pups made!

Thanks all very much for your help, I appreciate it alot!! :)
 
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