Quick question for the 212 cab folks.
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dystrust
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Re: Quick question for the 212 cab folks.
I've done all three in multiple settings. On the floor has the fattest sound, but it's probably coupling effect. The downsides are that it's blasting the backs of your knees and kind of hard to hear without decapitating the audience. In a recording situation a mic wouldn't hear all of that coupling, so your recorded sound would be A LOT brighter than what you hear in the room. On its side looks goofy, but is probably the best compromise sound-wise. The biggest downside I can think of is that the head won't fit on top. These days I mostly use a 1x12 combo, but occasionally I'll pull out my 2x12; I use both on a stand. You can hear yourself well and mic'd sound is closest to what you hear in the room, but the head might want to slide off if the stand is angled.
I've done all three in multiple settings. On the floor has the fattest sound, but it's probably coupling effect. The downsides are that it's blasting the backs of your knees and kind of hard to hear without decapitating the audience. In a recording situation a mic wouldn't hear all of that coupling, so your recorded sound would be A LOT brighter than what you hear in the room. On its side looks goofy, but is probably the best compromise sound-wise. The biggest downside I can think of is that the head won't fit on top. These days I mostly use a 1x12 combo, but occasionally I'll pull out my 2x12; I use both on a stand. You can hear yourself well and mic'd sound is closest to what you hear in the room, but the head might want to slide off if the stand is angled.
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Wormhelmet
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Re: Quick question for the 212 cab folks.
I use a vertical slant 2/12. Works for me and much lighter than a 4/12. That top speaker is pointed toward me when I play.
I use a vertical slant 2/12. Works for me and much lighter than a 4/12. That top speaker is pointed toward me when I play.
Artie
Peaveyologist
Re: Quick question for the 212 cab folks.
Thanks man. Good info. I mainly want the 2x12 configuration so I have a place to park my two "tube" heads. I'll elaborate later if I actually get this together.
Thanks man. Good info. I mainly want the 2x12 configuration so I have a place to park my two "tube" heads. I'll elaborate later if I actually get this together.
SlyFoxx
Glossless
Re: Quick question for the 212 cab folks.
I played many many many gigs with my mesa 2x12 recto standing vertical with either a Lonestar Special, 100 watt H&K or Marshall JVM. On larger or more proper stages I would raise it up on a box of stage flotsam or milk crate or whatever and go horizontal. I remember one place with a decent stage but not real big. I could fill the room perfectly with 5 watts from the Lonestar driving that cab.
I played many many many gigs with my mesa 2x12 recto standing vertical with either a Lonestar Special, 100 watt H&K or Marshall JVM. On larger or more proper stages I would raise it up on a box of stage flotsam or milk crate or whatever and go horizontal. I remember one place with a decent stage but not real big. I could fill the room perfectly with 5 watts from the Lonestar driving that cab.
Gearjoneser
Gear Ho
Re: Quick question for the 212 cab folks.
I've had wheels or roadcase platform on every 212 amp or cab, so it goes that way automatically.
Moving a combo to the top of it's roadcase is also common.
I've had wheels or roadcase platform on every 212 amp or cab, so it goes that way automatically.
Moving a combo to the top of it's roadcase is also common.
MetalManiac
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Re: Quick question for the 212 cab folks.
all 2x12's should be on casters, ideally,or else on top of a another 2x12 or 4x12. Not that putting one on the ground is a mortal sin...
all 2x12's should be on casters, ideally,or else on top of a another 2x12 or 4x12. Not that putting one on the ground is a mortal sin...
BriGuy1968
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Re: Quick question for the 212 cab folks.
My 2x12 is an old Crate VC212e, and it's actually square in shape (the speakers are set diagonally) so there's no advantage to flipping it on its side.
I don't have a head, but instead run it as an external speaker for my 1x12 combo, giving me 3 12s. The combo itself delivers plenty of brightness, so I kind of dig the lower floor-thumpin' tones that the cab adds by letting it sit right on the floor/stage.
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My 2x12 is an old Crate VC212e, and it's actually square in shape (the speakers are set diagonally) so there's no advantage to flipping it on its side.
I don't have a head, but instead run it as an external speaker for my 1x12 combo, giving me 3 12s. The combo itself delivers plenty of brightness, so I kind of dig the lower floor-thumpin' tones that the cab adds by letting it sit right on the floor/stage.
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allbutromeo
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Re: Quick question for the 212 cab folks.
+1
My MkV fits perfectly on top of it, if I decide to use my JCM900 I bring a stand and put the head on that next to the cab
+1
My MkV fits perfectly on top of it, if I decide to use my JCM900 I bring a stand and put the head on that next to the cab
DrNewcenstein
He Did the Monster Mash
Re: Quick question for the 212 cab folks.
My Fender RocPro 1000 head was small enough to fit neatly on my Carvin 2x12 while on its side, with minimal overhang. I used it that way for rehearsal and gigs. It's loud enough that you don't have trouble hearing yourself.
My JCM800 is a bit large to sit on the side of the cab, so I lay it flat. Of course the head is now on a keyboard x-frame type stand in my music/computer room while the cab is in the next room with a mic in front of it. Still have trouble getting the surround sound loud enough to compete with it :lol:
My Fender RocPro 1000 head was small enough to fit neatly on my Carvin 2x12 while on its side, with minimal overhang. I used it that way for rehearsal and gigs. It's loud enough that you don't have trouble hearing yourself.
My JCM800 is a bit large to sit on the side of the cab, so I lay it flat. Of course the head is now on a keyboard x-frame type stand in my music/computer room while the cab is in the next room with a mic in front of it. Still have trouble getting the surround sound loud enough to compete with it :lol:
Rand-O-Monium
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Re: Quick question for the 212 cab folks.
Love my M/B Halfback 2x12s!!!
Love my M/B Halfback 2x12s!!!
Artie
Peaveyologist
Re: Quick question for the 212 cab folks.
Thanks for the replies so far. Part of what inspired this question was that Parts Express has the Eminence Legend V1216 on sale. I was thinking that a couple of these in a 212 cab could be sweet. I like the 16-ohm rating so they can be wired in parallel and remain at 8-ohms.
Thanks for the replies so far. Part of what inspired this question was that Parts Express has the Eminence Legend V1216 on sale. I was thinking that a couple of these in a 212 cab could be sweet. I like the 16-ohm rating so they can be wired in parallel and remain at 8-ohms.
Boogie Bill
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Re: Quick question for the 212 cab folks.
I like my Boogie Half-Back 212 and 412 cabs....imo, two of the best guitar cabs ever made. The Vertical Recto 212 V30 is a totally closed version of the Half-Back. I also have a Horizontal Recto 212, and it too is an excellent sounding cab. I like to use it under my Maverick 212 combo. Mesa builds some of the best cabs in the biz.
The old Fender BF small 212 was an excellent cab. Ditto for the Tremolux' 210 and the Showman's 115 and 215 cabs. Back in the day, we often turned them vertically. Maybe it was just a bit of penis envy of the guys who had the Marshall full stacks, lol.
BTW, the old Music Man and SUNN cabs were always highly regarded as durable, good-sounding and well-made.
I like the vertical cabs the best because it puts the amp knobs where I can see them, saving my back. My usual rig these days is one of my Mesa 112 Thiele cabs under a Mesa 112 combo. Best of both worlds.
Bill
I like my Boogie Half-Back 212 and 412 cabs....imo, two of the best guitar cabs ever made. The Vertical Recto 212 V30 is a totally closed version of the Half-Back. I also have a Horizontal Recto 212, and it too is an excellent sounding cab. I like to use it under my Maverick 212 combo. Mesa builds some of the best cabs in the biz.
The old Fender BF small 212 was an excellent cab. Ditto for the Tremolux' 210 and the Showman's 115 and 215 cabs. Back in the day, we often turned them vertically. Maybe it was just a bit of penis envy of the guys who had the Marshall full stacks, lol.
BTW, the old Music Man and SUNN cabs were always highly regarded as durable, good-sounding and well-made.
I like the vertical cabs the best because it puts the amp knobs where I can see them, saving my back. My usual rig these days is one of my Mesa 112 Thiele cabs under a Mesa 112 combo. Best of both worlds.
Bill
