Re evaluating the Custom 5

Ascension

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I tried a couple in several guitars all mahogany bodied and absolutely LOATHED the pickup. Sounded pretty good while playing alone but as soon as I got the guitar in a full band situation it just dissipated in the mix. Solos in particular were just ------ as they just did not cut through.
However I have a Washburn USA MG 102 with a swamp ash body that had a C8 in it. The style I am playing right now made me need to open the guitar up and get softer more open tones in particular in the bridge when I rolled back the volume. The guitar was pretty mid heavy and on the brighter side so I thought hmm I have a extra A-5 so let's see how the Custom 5 works here. I also swapped A-5 in the 59 in the neck for an A-4.
WOW big open sweeeet tones across the board and what a shocker on the bridge pickup the solo tone KILLS!!
Bright guitar with an abundance of mids + the Custom 5 = KILLER tone.
To those who have only used the Custom 5 in a guitar that has a darker tone don't write the pickup off for every guitar!
 
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The Custom 5 in my SG is great. I think my guitar has a lot of mids and the C5 balances well with it. I like to use it when I think the C8 is way too much for my style.
 
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I have it in a poplar-bodied Strat, and it sounds great. The split tone is a good match with A5 single coils too.

I agree that it's probably not a good match to most LP's.
 
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I have a custom 5 bridge '59 neck in my Hamer Newport, and it has an incredible sound. One of my favorite pickups in my favorite guitar.
 
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I have a custom 5 bridge '59 neck in my Hamer Newport, and it has an incredible sound. One of my favorite pickups in my favorite guitar.

That used to be the most recomended set for SG's here, until the C8 came along. C5's are good PU's, and when the only other alnico to compare them with was the CC (SH-11), C5's had a big fan base. With the growing popularity of warmer magnets (A8, UOA5, and A4), C5's have taken a back seat. In many guitars C5's require judicious use of the tone control to keep the treble in check. Even then they're often kind of thin. The above-mentioned 3 magnets fix those issues (without giving up as much treble and low-end thightness as the CC does). The reality is that while C5's will always have their uses and a certain core of fans, their hey day is over. Players have more options now. I had a few C5's which have since been converted to C8's and UO C5's, which I like much better.
 
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I hated it in my SG and eclipse. I thought it might be cool in a super strat.
 
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I had it in the bridge of my Ash Strat for quite a while. It sounded great in there for hard rock. I used a PG in the neck position with it...could get a variety of tones out of that guitar. It's just like any other pickup in that it sounds different in different guitars. I do see why people would call it thin...but I found it sat in a mix well and didn't get flubby with gain.
 
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I do like the Custom though...and the Custom Custom gets some cool tones too.
 
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That used to be the most recomended set for SG's here, until the C8 came along. C5's are good PU's, and when the only other alnico to compare them with was the CC (SH-11), C5's had a big fan base. With the growing popularity of warmer magnets (A8, UOA5, and A4), C5's have taken a back seat. In many guitars C5's require judicious use of the tone control to keep the treble in check. Even then they're often kind of thin. The above-mentioned 3 magnets fix those issues (without giving up as much treble and low-end thightness as the CC does). The reality is that while C5's will always have their uses and a certain core of fans, their hey day is over. Players have more options now. I had a few C5's which have since been converted to C8's and UO C5's, which I like much better.

This explains a lot. I always wondered why the C5 seems to be the red-headed step-child of the custom line. I personally am a big C5 fan, but feel it has specific applications. While the C8 is an awesome pickup, it's very hot and sounds to me a little gritty and modern. Not criticisms, observations. In the right application, the C8 is an indisputable win and cleans up well as the volume is rolled off. But the C5 sounds the most natural to my ear of the Custom line. Most organic. The scoop is a love-it-or-hate-it type of thing. I think it adds character... in the right guitar. I have it in a strat type guitar: alder body, maple cap, maple neck, rosewood board. Gives that guitar a great sound. But the bass is very prominent and the highs, sharp. To me it would seem out of place in an LP. The darker tone of the mahogany would deepen the already boomy bass and make the highs stand out more. Just my opinion. The CC always sounds too bright to me because of the low amount of spongy bass. Again, this pickup has it's place to shine, but for what I like playing, that place doesn't come up often. The normal Custom is a great pickup but doesn't sound as lively to my ear. Very level. But it has great definition and a tight focused sound.

I still need to try out a C4 and a CUOA5 (Blueman Custom). Really eager to give both a whirl.
 
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So, I take it the C5 wouldn't be the ideal pickup for getting a 70's Kiss-style tone? (think first album through Dressed To Kill)

I've tried the DiMarzio DP100, but there's something about it I've never liked. Too gritty, not PAFish enough.
 
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What I don't understand is that, if you look a few years back, you'll see a lot of guys really liking the C5. I get why, after knowing the C8 and other variations, people choose them over the C5, but I really don't get that it seems that almost everybody HATE it now.

Sometimes I think we get addicted to this magnet swap stuff until the point that, to us, none of the pickups in line has the best magnet and the big manufacturers don't ever choose a magnet right. Am I being too philosophical?
 
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I really liked the C5 in the bridge of my old Hamer Studio. It gave me everything I wanted and then some.
 
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What I don't understand is that, if you look a few years back, you'll see a lot of guys really liking the C5. I get why, after knowing the C8 and other variations, people choose them over the C5, but I really don't get that it seems that almost everybody HATE it now.

Sometimes I think we get addicted to this magnet swap stuff until the point that, to us, none of the pickups in line has the best magnet and the big manufacturers don't ever choose a magnet right. Am I being too philosophical?

I don't know if it's 'hated' as much as it's fallen out of favor. C5's were clearly the best of the Customs for those of us who don't like ceramics and have a bunch of warm-toned guitars. And JB's were hit or miss. So out of the Duncan line, C5's were pretty good in our mahogany guitars. But when A8's became readily available, they gave us more output, more mids, less treble, and a great clean tone; in other words, a blend of the better qualities of the Custom, CC, and C5. Many guys here converted their's to C8's.

Several years ago Wymore dropped out, and Addicition FX stepped up and took his place as out main magnet supplier. He endeared himself to us by offering magnets most of us couldn't get before: UOA5's, RC A5's, RC A4's, RC A3's, and RC A2's. That spurred another round of magnet swaps. Those five new magnets have since become commonplace amongst Duncan forum members. The most unique is the UOA5, which sounds like a blend of A2 and A5, a middle ground many of us find desirable. For years I struggled getting enough bite of of some of my A2 HB's; UOA5's kept the A2 feel but added a little treble. Likewise, a number of A5 bridge HB's are pretty thin and bright. Again, an UOA5 fixed that, this time by adding warmth, mids, and texture. Voila! UOA5's are now residing in a variety of PAF's, medium output HB's, high output HB's, and P-90's.

There was always a 'need' for A8's, and for a long time C5's were as close as we could get. Many of us still would have liked a warmer C5 though. C8's solved that for most of us, but it's in-your-face output isn't always appreciated. That led to the UO C5 and C4, which give a more vintage sound by dialing down the output & adding dynamics and texture. Out of the six versions of the Custom (several more if you count roughcasts) there's at least one that'll please most players. They're not all equally popular but each has their following.

As for your being philosophical, consider this: manufacturers have to pick a magnet for their PU's, and it's almost always one they currently keep in inventory. In reality, every HB has over 10 different personalities (EQ's) depending on what magnet is in it. There's nothing sacred about the one the manufacturer happened to put in. Why not try some other magnets, after all, it's your PU. Often times it's that, or sell the PU. Think of the stock magnet as a one-size-fits-all kind of thing. As we all know, one size does not fit all with most products. A tailored suit will fit you better than one off-the-rack. So why not do that with a PU's tone? Especially since it only takes a few minutes and a few dollars. Maybe the manufacturer tested the PU in a certain kind of guitar design or wood, and you have something else. Or used different types of amps and pedals. Or maybe you don't like the tonal qualities of ceramics and want to put an alnico in? Or vice versa. Many reason why a replacement magnet may suit your style and gear better than the 'off-the-rack' magnet. Over the years I've seen posts from many guys who bought one PU after another trying to get the tones they wanted, and were frustrated and broke after the ordeal. This is the other end of the tone quest spectrum from mag swapping: living with less-than-ideal tones or selling lots of PU's. I've done both and think swapping mags is infinitely preferrable, and much cheaper. Same thing goes for guitars: we each have actions, set ups and string gauges we prefer. We almost always change what the guitar came with. Does that mean the guitar maker was 'wrong?' I imagine that I'm like most players, in that I play my best when I have tones I really like. That may mean tweaking some variables to get that, including PU's, pots, and magnets. Whether I'm on stage or at home practicing, I'm very glad that I've learned how to tweak those things. Doesn't mean there's anything 'wrong' with a PU, I just made it 'fit' me. I know that I have many more of Seymour's PU's than I would otherwise, because I've been able to change magnets and get the tones I want, and didn't have to look to another brand.
 
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I don't know if it's 'hated' as much as it's fallen out of favor. C5's were clearly the best of the Customs for those of us who don't like ceramics and have a bunch of warm-toned guitars. And JB's were hit or miss. So out of the Duncan line, C5's were pretty good in our mahogany guitars. But when A8's became readily available, they gave us more output, more mids, less treble, and a great clean tone; in other words, a blend of the better qualities of the Custom, CC, and C5. Many guys here converted their's to C8's.

Several years ago Wymore dropped out, and Addicition FX stepped up and took his place as out main magnet supplier. He endeared himself to us by offering magnets most of us couldn't get before: UOA5's, RC A5's, RC A4's, RC A3's, and RC A2's. That spurred another round of magnet swaps. Those five new magnets have since become commonplace amongst Duncan forum members. The most unique is the UOA5, which sounds like a blend of A2 and A5, a middle ground many of us find desirable. For years I struggled getting enough bite of of some of my A2 HB's; UOA5's kept the A2 feel but added a little treble. Likewise, a number of A5 bridge HB's are pretty thin and bright. Again, an UOA5 fixed that, this time by adding warmth, mids, and texture. Voila! UOA5's are now residing in a variety of PAF's, medium output HB's, high output HB's, and P-90's.

There was always a 'need' for A8's, and for a long time C5's were as close as we could get. Many of us still would have liked a warmer C5 though. C8's solved that for most of us, but it's in-your-face output isn't always appreciated. That led to the UO C5 and C4, which give a more vintage sound by dialing down the output & adding dynamics and texture. Out of the six versions of the Custom (several more if you count roughcasts) there's at least one that'll please most players. They're not all equally popular but each has their following.

As for your being philosophical, consider this: manufacturers have to pick a magnet for their PU's, and it's almost always one they cuurrently keep in inventory. In reality, every HB has over10 different personalities (EQ's) depending on what magnet is in it. There's nothing sacred about the one the manufacturer happened to put in. Why not try some other magnets, after all, it's your PU. Often times it's that, or sell the PU. Think of the stock magnet as a one-size-fits-all kind of thing. As we all know, one size does not fit all with most products. A tailored suit will fit you better than one off-the-rack. So why not do that with a PU's tone? Especially since it only takes a few minutes and a few dollars. Maybe the manufacturer tested the PU in a certain kind of guitar design or wood, and you have something else. Or used different types of amps and pedals. Or maybe you don't like the tonal qualities of ceramics and want to put an alnico in? Or vice versa. Many reason why a replacement magnet may suit your style and gear better than the 'off-the-rack' magnet. Over the years I've seen posts from many guys who bought one PU after another trying to get the tones they wanted, and were frustrated and broke after the ordeal. This is the other end of the tone quest spectrum from mag swapping: living with less-than-ideal tones or selling lots of PU's. I've done both and think swapping mags is infinitely preferrable, and much cheaper. Same thing goes for guitars: we each have actions, set ups and string gauges we prefer. We almost always change what the guitar came with. Does that mean the guitar maker was 'wrong?' I imagine that I'm like most players, in that I play my best when I have tones I really like. That may mean tweaking some variables to get that, including PU's, pots, and magnets. Whether I'm on stage or at home practicing, I'm very glad that I've learned how to tweak those things. Doesn't mean there's anything 'wrong' with a PU, I just made it 'fit' me. I know that I have many more of Seymour's PU's than I would otherwise, because I've been able to change magnets and get the tones I want, and didn't have to look to another brand.

Wise words. That's why you're one of the "gurus" of this forum.
 
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