Really digging hot rodded Marshall tones... Soldano, SPlawn, others?

Re: Really digging hot rodded Marshall tones... Soldano, SPlawn, others?

I almost bought an open box 2555X at Musician's Friend on their 36 months no interest plan a couple of weeks ago. But I just didn't think it'd get played enough to be worth it, sitting next to my Splawn and Friedman. Having said that... some of the clips that I heard of the 2555X sounded pretty dang good.

The Silver Jubilee is Marshall's take on this theme. I saw an interview with Steve Grindrod, Marshall's design engineer from the mid 70s until the 2000s. He said he used two LEDs instead of just plugging in an extra 12AX7 into the circuit and tweeking from there like almost everybody does, because they could not get decent 12AX7s that would work in a high gain circuit on consistent basis at the time. So he used his own LED clipper circuit he had been messing around with.

Elsewhere I learned some specific technical things pertaining to the LED clipper circuit used only in the Silver Jubilee. It is set up to cause an asymmetric clipping of the signal, or it clips only one side of the wave form. Asymmetric clipping promotes a lot of even order harmonics, even more than all tube.

However, the tone can be inconsistent from amp to amp because of the tolerances of the LEDs and also the bypass cap around the LED circuit. This is why some may sound buzz saw like and others very organic.

There are some unique aspects that stem from the use of LEDs. One is, that because the voltage must be brought low, the FX loop works really well with guitar level devices. Another factor from the voltage requirements is that the voltage must be built up again afterward. This is why the tone stack is plate follower instead of the usual cathode follower. The tone stack itself is much like that found on a Hiwatt instead of on a plexi. The volume on the Silver Jubilee is much more controlled than say a 2203. It doesn't start to get really loud until the master is up around 6 or 7 at which point your starting to get the power amp involved, so its not all preamp when the amp is really starting to sound good, but your able to have the amp sound good at more moderate volume if needed.
 
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The volume on the Silver Jubilee is much more controlled than say a 2203. It doesn't start to get really loud until the master is up around 6 or 7 at which point your starting to get the power amp involved, so its not all preamp when the amp is really starting to sound good, but your able to have the amp sound good at more moderate volume if needed.

+1

I probably run the preamp on my Jube a bit hotter than you do, but I find mine starts sounding really good with the output master around 4 and sounds great until 6 or slightly higher. Beyond that it starts to turn into a mushy, compressed mess.
 
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Great suggestion on the Jubilee.... I have not played any kind of Jubilee, but have always really liked recordings and videos. It seems like a base tone that would work for me. Some of the Seriatone stuff also sounds worth looking into, like the Chupacabra.
 
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Great suggestion on the Jubilee.... I have not played any kind of Jubilee, but have always really liked recordings and videos. It seems like a base tone that would work for me. Some of the Seriatone stuff also sounds worth looking into, like the Chupacabra.
The Yeti is great.
 
Re: Really digging hot rodded Marshall tones... Soldano, SPlawn, others?

The Silver Jubilee is Marshall's take on this theme. I saw an interview with Steve Grindrod, Marshall's design engineer from the mid 70s until the 2000s. He said he used two LEDs instead of just plugging in an extra 12AX7 into the circuit and tweeking from there like almost everybody does, because they could not get decent 12AX7s that would work in a high gain circuit on consistent basis at the time. So he used his own LED clipper circuit he had been messing around with.

Elsewhere I learned some specific technical things pertaining to the LED clipper circuit used only in the Silver Jubilee. It is set up to cause an asymmetric clipping of the signal, or it clips only one side of the wave form. Asymmetric clipping promotes a lot of even order harmonics, even more than all tube.

However, the tone can be inconsistent from amp to amp because of the tolerances of the LEDs and also the bypass cap around the LED circuit. This is why some may sound buzz saw like and others very organic.

There are some unique aspects that stem from the use of LEDs. One is, that because the voltage must be brought low, the FX loop works really well with guitar level devices. Another factor from the voltage requirements is that the voltage must be built up again afterward. This is why the tone stack is plate follower instead of the usual cathode follower. The tone stack itself is much like that found on a Hiwatt instead of on a plexi. The volume on the Silver Jubilee is much more controlled than say a 2203. It doesn't start to get really loud until the master is up around 6 or 7 at which point your starting to get the power amp involved, so its not all preamp when the amp is really starting to sound good, but your able to have the amp sound good at more moderate volume if needed.

Yeah... that whole "buzz saw" thing is what ultimately kept me from ordering that mint open box 2555X. Cause I don't like too much fizz, and my Splawn and Friedman definitely don't have that issue, so I figured "why take the chance". But yeah... I'd still love to spend time with a Jube and formulate my own opinion regarding how it compares to my current amps.
 
Re: Really digging hot rodded Marshall tones... Soldano, SPlawn, others?

There are some unique aspects that stem from the use of LEDs. One is, that because the voltage must be brought low, the FX loop works really well with guitar level devices. Another factor from the voltage requirements is that the voltage must be built up again afterward. This is why the tone stack is plate follower instead of the usual cathode follower. The tone stack itself is much like that found on a Hiwatt instead of on a plexi. The volume on the Silver Jubilee is much more controlled than say a 2203. It doesn't start to get really loud until the master is up around 6 or 7 at which point your starting to get the power amp involved, so its not all preamp when the amp is really starting to sound good, but your able to have the amp sound good at more moderate volume if needed.

Great info! I've owned both the 87 2555 and 2550, and always wondered why they're not as loud as every other Marshall.....which is a good thing. And the EQ does seem a bit different than other Marshalls - small increments are more dramatic.

I do wish Steve Grindrod had implemented an extra pre tube rather than the LED's, but maybe the LED's allow it to be tighter?? I met Steve Grindrod at an LA Amp Show, promoting his Albion amplifiers. If I had known he had anything to do with Jubilee's, I would have picked his brain.
 
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Steve mentioned in an interview that as quality tubes got scarce during the latter days of the cold war, it was his solution to not have to use more tubes per amp, and up the gain to where players demanded...thus the usage of diodes as early as 1982 with the 2205/2210. It was strictly a manufacturing/cost/ lack of availability related thing.
 
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It makes me wonder about a Jubilee clone made with only one change....an extra tube rather than LED section. In theory, it sounds like a great Marshall circuit. I don't know if it would throw off the whole rest of the circuit or not.

I never understood why Marshall didn't just make the series after the JCM 800's a modified version with an extra gain stage. I guess now I understand it was a tube failure rate issue, because sourcing reliable tubes was an issue in the 80's. I remember having to buy them at Radio Shack. That's why Groove Tube was a success then, but isn't anymore.
 
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I never understood why Marshall didn't just make the series after the JCM 800's a modified version with an extra gain stage.

That was essentially what the JCM900 MKIII 2100/2500 was, only with two master volumes, so you could set one volume for your rhythm and the other for your solos. Not the Dual Reverb. The MkIII became the SLX when an extra tube replaced a diode clip network (that was different from the Jubilee's). The few people that had a MKIII-instead of the Dual Reverb- seem to love them. The DR was marketed and nobody knew about the MkIII.
 
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Yeah... that whole "buzz saw" thing is what ultimately kept me from ordering that mint open box 2555X. Cause I don't like too much fizz, and my Splawn and Friedman definitely don't have that issue, so I figured "why take the chance". But yeah... I'd still love to spend time with a Jube and formulate my own opinion regarding how it compares to my current amps.

Although I have never had to do it, I understand that getting rid harshness or buzz saw is just a matter of swapping in a better values of LEDs and the by-pass cap. I have also heard of using one green and one red 5mm LEDs to make it sound more cranked plexi. Never tried it though.
 
Re: Really digging hot rodded Marshall tones... Soldano, SPlawn, others?

Ahh, just get a Fractal Axe-FX and have 'em all.

Actually, for the hot rodded Marshall sounds, the Friedman's are astonishing. They sound like Marshalls sound in my head.
 
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- Marshall Silver Jubilee 25/50: it's like doing your dream girl on a daily base (too good to be true but it will cost you much)

- Marshall JCM900 SL-X: it's like a race car (high performance but breaks down occasionally)

- Laney AOR: it's like an immortal viking warrior (the loudest and cheapest in the bunch, it did not produce ANY issue during a decade of really hard gigging)
 
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Re: Really digging hot rodded Marshall tones... Soldano, SPlawn, others?

Ahh, just get a Fractal Axe-FX and have 'em all.

Actually, for the hot rodded Marshall sounds, the Friedman's are astonishing. They sound like Marshalls sound in my head.

I really haven't spent much time with the Fractals, but I had an Eleven Rack for a while, and a Kemper for a couple of weeks. Both units had some great, very tube-amp-like feel and tones. But still... they weren't exactly the same as the real things for my tastes. I have a Friedman Smallbox and Splawn QuickRod in the man cave right now and don't find myself missing the imitations.
 
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I love my Quickrod, but Id still give my testes for a Friedman Brown eye and certainly a JOSE modded marshall What I find interesting, is that with all the amp gurus out there, there are many flavors of the theme, but why cant some one reverse engineer and recreate the jose mod? Or is it being done and I dont know it.. Ive heard Trace at Voodoo makes a good one too.
 
Re: Really digging hot rodded Marshall tones... Soldano, SPlawn, others?

I love my Quickrod, but Id still give my testes for a Friedman Brown eye and certainly a JOSE modded marshall What I find interesting, is that with all the amp gurus out there, there are many flavors of the theme, but why cant some one reverse engineer and recreate the jose mod? Or is it being done and I dont know it.. Ive heard Trace at Voodoo makes a good one too.

I read the Brown Eye mod for the Jet City amps incorporates Friedman's take on the Jose mod.
 
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Does Friedman do mods on Jet Citys??
 
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Does Friedman do mods on Jet Citys??

He used to mod the JCA20s for more gain, if I remember right. But I think that all went away with the introduction of the JCA22. It's tough to beat a Soldano overdrive channel.
 
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I love my Splawn Quickrod... It sounds like all the hot rodded Marahall tones you've heard without having to jump through hoops with boosting, paint peeling volumes, voltage modifications, etc. From light plexi-ish breakup to more gain than I'd ever need for fluid leads.
 
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I love the sound of my Friedman!

PSA- there's a 100W Ceriatone Yeti for sale over at TGP right now, $999 shipped. If it weren't for the Friedman, I'd jump on that one myself.
 
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I love the sound of my Friedman!

PSA- there's a 100W Ceriatone Yeti for sale over at TGP right now, $999 shipped. If it weren't for the Friedman, I'd jump on that one myself.
Friedman is the only amp that could make me look away from my Splawn. ;)
 
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