Rectifier Guitar Amp

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How about I make it easier? I like Hetfields black album sound, the low end crunch with the razor-like high. That is my ideal 'starter' sound, from there i'll tweak it to my own liking. What low watt (<50) low cost (<$500) amp HEAD should I look into?

The sound on the black album is anything but a "starter" sound.

The black album was a mixture of a MK2C+ into a marshall and a MKIV each with their on aphex semi parametric programmable eq's ran into 4 different Marshall cabs with an 8 mic array

But dont despair. There are many many good sounding amps on the market that im sure will satisfy you just dont expect instant black album from them.

If i was you i would be looking for a used DC50 or a 5150 or even some of the blackstar stuff. Even the old 1st series valvestates could do some very cool thrash sounds.
 
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So you've told us your price range and target tone. What you haven't told us is what is unsatisfying about your current rig. The reason I bring it up is because in my experience a lot of high gain tube amps don't sound all that great until you really crank them up. They start sounding good at "piss off the neighbors" loud and really give up the goods at "I'll need hearing aids in five years" loud. If you don't get many opportunities to unleash that sort of firepower, you might be better off sticking with digital stuff for now.
 
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I'm currently building an amp that should nail the black album tones.

Hopefully i should be finished this weekend. I'll post some clips up once it's done of sad but true or something to show that you don't need a mesa!
 
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How about I make it easier? I like Hetfields black album sound, the low end crunch with the razor-like high. That is my ideal 'starter' sound, from there i'll tweak it to my own liking. What low watt (<50) low cost (<$500) amp HEAD should I look into?

Mark IIIs can generally be found for fairly cheap and the earlier ones retain a lot of what made the Mark IIC+ famous. The Dual Caliber series is also a good choice. DCs were Mesa's stripped down "budge" amp and tonally they sit somewhere between a Mark and a Recto.

The sound on the black album is anything but a "starter" sound.

The black album was a mixture of a MK2C+ into a marshall and a MKIV each with their on aphex semi parametric programmable eq's ran into 4 different Marshall cabs with an 8 mic array

Probably the reason I've always found it easier to get a black album tone out of a Rectifier than a Mark.


So does each rectifier tube correspond to each 50W erm... something? Follow me if you will, Duals have 2 rectifier tubes and you can remove one of those and two of the power tubes to be operated in 50w mode. So each 5u4G goes to a pair of power tubes in a Triple?

Mesa is a master at marketing and has generally done a pretty good job of bringing features to people attention when naming their amps.

The name Dual Rectifier was a marketing gimmick to bring attention to the fact that the amps in the series had two (i.e., dual) rectifiers that you could switch between. The entire series consisted of the Blue Angel, Maverick and Solo Head.

A lot of people think the Dual Rectifier thing came from the number of rectifier tubes but not all amps in the Dual Rectifier series had two rectifier tubes. The Dual Rectifier Blue Angel for instance is a 38w amp with a single 5AR4 rectifier tube while the Dual Rectifier Maverick is a 35w amp with a single 5AR4.

Eventually the Dual Rectifier Solo is the sound that became associated with the term "Dual Rectifier" while the Blue Angel and Maverick are now known by their respective sub-names. Mesa has since reserved the "Rectifier" title for amps that retain the basic "Dual Rectifier Solo" sound, i.e., the Triple Rectifier Solo, Dual Rectifier Trem-o-verb, Single Rectifier Solo, Single Rectifier Rect-o-verb, Dual Rectifier Road King, Dual Rectifier Roadster and Mini Rectifier Twenty-Five

The Triple and Single Rectifiers were developed after the Dual Rectifiers and were a play on the Dual Rectifier's name. The Triple Rectifier had triple rectifier tubes, so that one is kind of obvious, while the Single Rectifier had a single rectifier (diode). It was also convenient that Single/Dual/Triple lined up with their 50w/100w/150w power outputs.

The marketing gimmicks continued when Mesa made a Dual Rectifier combo gave it tremolo and reverb... and stuck it in your face by naming the amp a Trem-o-Verb. A the name twisting continued when they produced the reverb equipped Single Rectifier Rect-o-Verb.

They then equipped an amp with all kinds of features meant to make a touring guitarists life easier... and called it the Road King.

When they developed a sharper, more cutting amp than the Rectifier they called it the Stiletto.

They then created a streamlined, less cumbersome version of their Road King and called a Roadster.

Like I said... masters of marketing.
 
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So you've told us your price range and target tone. What you haven't told us is what is unsatisfying about your current rig. The reason I bring it up is because in my experience a lot of high gain tube amps don't sound all that great until you really crank them up. They start sounding good at "piss off the neighbors" loud and really give up the goods at "I'll need hearing aids in five years" loud. If you don't get many opportunities to unleash that sort of firepower, you might be better off sticking with digital stuff for now.

My Vypyr is 98% good, the cleans have a digital background noise which pisses me off, but it's a good amp (not the reason for the OP). I am experimenting now with all my gear, getting away from Crate FX amps with guitars with EMG 81's. I've never used a tube amp, you all and all the household names use them so they must be good. Also, I want to get a simple amp, no FX to mess with (and make background noise) just clean and overdrive (reverb is OK). I grew up on Metallica so I am biased to their tone. I want a small amp because I'm in an apartment.
 
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you all and all the household names use them so they must be good.
Not me. I'm the local modeler fanboi. I was a longtime tube snob but am in the process of selling off all my tube amps and all but a couple pedals. My rig ain't cheap (neither was my tube-centric setup) but it kicks some serious butt, even without the benefit of glowing bottles.

A number of "household names" are publicly going digital too, and even more are using modelers under the covers.
 
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My Vypyr is 98% good, the cleans have a digital background noise which pisses me off, but it's a good amp (not the reason for the OP). I am experimenting now with all my gear, getting away from Crate FX amps with guitars with EMG 81's. I've never used a tube amp, you all and all the household names use them so they must be good. Also, I want to get a simple amp, no FX to mess with (and make background noise) just clean and overdrive (reverb is OK). I grew up on Metallica so I am biased to their tone. I want a small amp because I'm in an apartment.

I used Crate FX amps and EMGs before I finally gave up and bought a Mesa Single Recto. I tried a few other amps like a Line 6 Flextone II, Marshall JCM 2000 and finally gave in to the Recto. Nothing I tried got that saturation I was looking for and the tight low end.

I had a Dual Recto for a while but ultimately went back to a Single. I love it. I have a reverb and delay pedal to add some depth once in a while and besides my wah and a chrous i use sparingly, that's it.
 
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heres my personal amp that pretty much the stock soldano SLO circuit.

It's not exact but it's not really made for this kinda tone :D

The one i really should be working on right now will be more in the ballpark
 
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I just got myself an all-tube 15 watt Chinese Goldea Rex head ..and while it's supposedly based on an Engl of some sort, it definately has the gain to take me well into Mesa territory. Metallica/Pantera etc..it's ideal for that stuff, brilliant for shred, br00tal death metal is'nt a problem either...it can get really nasty.


As far as high gain amps are concerned, I think that amp sounds fantastic. Sounds as good as the ENGL Straight and Mesa Rectos I've played and looks frighteningly like the Hughes & Kettner Duotone that I used to own. I can't believe how big that sounds for 15w and how cheap you bought it for. I'm blown away and that isn't easy to do these days.
 
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Mesa amps are not that expensive. They have been some of the cheaper amps I have owned, compared to my Bogners, Hughes and Kettners and PWEs. You can get a used Electra dyne for $1000 or less! Same with a Single Rectifier. I have owned lots of tube amps and will never, ever go back to solid state or digital. Straight up tube amps for me. I used to have a Line 6 Vetta half stack and used to use modular gear. Spent $4000 on an Egnater modular rig, but I am much happier now with straight single and dual channel tube heads. By year end I will have my PWE Event Horizon. 20th Anniversary Bogner Shiva, Mesa Boogie Electra Dyne and Mesa Boogie Rectoverb and that should cover all I need. Done! LOL. :)
 
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As far as high gain amps are concerned, I think that amp sounds fantastic. Sounds as good as the ENGL Straight and Mesa Rectos I've played and looks frighteningly like the Hughes & Kettner Duotone that I used to own. I can't believe how big that sounds for 15w and how cheap you bought it for. I'm blown away and that isn't easy to do these days.


Yeah, It really blew me away when i first heard that demo & there are'nt any pedals or recording tricks involved..mine actually sounds pretty much the same. It's not super loud, (just loud enough for a jam with a loud drummer) but it sounds massive for what it is. Plus, the tones/overtones you can get from it are just brilliant..I don't miss or really need any pedal with this thing.

It shipped with the (Ruby) tubes in the sockets (mistake!) so I had two tubes damaged from vibration/rough handling when it arrived, a power tube and preamp tube. I now have a Shuguang "B" in V1, regular short-plate JJ in V2, a Sovek LPS in V3 & a pair of 6P14P-EV russian power tubes & my sound is pretty much identical to what's in the demo up there. It has a really punchy, thick & agressive , in-your-face, yet pretty open/full sound. With the gain rolled back it does some very cool vintage/bluesy stuff and can get really warm, "hollow" and organic sounding as well..
 
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An idea I also had (And I'm still new at this tube stuff so bear with me) once I get my Marshall JCM 900 SL-X 2100 working (it's blowing a main fuse, sending it for fix) can I retube it to get it closer to the sound I'm looking for? I read changing tubes can significantly change the tone, and since I already have it...And it's a $1,000 MARSHALL... On a side note, I found out the Marshall has a 1/2 power switch which will help tremendously in my 11'x11' apartment room.
 
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An idea I also had (And I'm still new at this tube stuff so bear with me) once I get my Marshall JCM 900 SL-X 2100 working (it's blowing a main fuse, sending it for fix) can I retube it to get it closer to the sound I'm looking for? I read changing tubes can significantly change the tone, and since I already have it...And it's a $1,000 MARSHALL... On a side note, I found out the Marshall has a 1/2 power switch which will help tremendously in my 11'x11' apartment room.

No not really it wont... 50 watts vs 100 watts in a apartment you wont even notice the volume difference is neglibible.


You can use tubes to change the color and texture of the amp to a point but it wont radically change its character. Though the SLX will do some VERY cool thrash tones the only thing I dont like about mine is that you gotta be careful with the sensitivity control if you set it too high it can get flubby and fuzzy souding but as long as you dont go gonzo with it its a killer amp.

Though since you already have it it would be a good idea to just get it fixed and if it doesnt blow your skirt up start looking around for trades to keep your cash layout low.
 
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Though since you already have it it would be a good idea to just get it fixed and if it doesnt blow your skirt up start looking around for trades to keep your cash layout low.

I thought about that. This morning I looked them up and they are going for about $900 used. If I don't end up liking it, the money from it will be a great start for something else. I think the quote on the repair was in the $100+parts range, so I'll do that and see what it's like and go from there. Might just fix the Marshall and hang onto it just so I can say I have a REAL Marshall (not an MG) then get the Goldea Rex 3200 mentioned earlier (if they ever respond to the emails!:banghead:)
 
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I thought about that. This morning I looked them up and they are going for about $900 used. If I don't end up liking it, the money from it will be a great start for something else. I think the quote on the repair was in the $100+parts range, so I'll do that and see what it's like and go from there. Might just fix the Marshall and hang onto it just so I can say I have a REAL Marshall (not an MG) then get the Goldea Rex 3200 mentioned earlier (if they ever respond to the emails!:banghead:)

Really thats pretty cheap for how good of an amp it is I would be all over that. I think you will dig it. As long as you dont need lots of channel swapping and doodads... or clean tones its a great way to go (it has ok cleans just not real loud)
 
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