Red RAT... If You Didn't Know Already

OOPPSS missed this post. I just mentioned the red one in your yellow Rat thread. lol They only look right in black IMHO.
 
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JMP/HBE said:


Its not the outside color but what's on the inside that matters.
All the ProCo RAT re-issues have crappy chips in them.
If you want a decent Custom RAT with authentic NOS LM-308 type op-amps like the originals contact Pete of Pete's Pedals and put your money where it counts.

https://www.facebook.com/Petes-Pedals-St-Louis-1539987856307597
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I've swapped supposedly crappy op-amp chips in RATs for the fabled LM-308 and can't really hear any difference myself - at least nothing that a tiny tweak of the filter knob wouldn't correct.
 
Old news is old. Red, Yellow, and White are out there. Already making the used rounds...

But otherwise just a Rat 2
 
GuitarStv said:
I've swapped supposedly crappy op-amp chips in RATs for the fabled LM-308 and can't really hear any difference myself - at least nothing that a tiny tweak of the filter knob wouldn't correct.
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All Rats are not created equal.
 
GuitarStv said:
Proco has released the exact same circuit in a whole variety of different looking boxes. Not every rat isexactly the same . . . but a lot of 'em are.
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Hey man i gave a great tip here to a Class A pedal builder where he can build you whatever you want with expertise and one of a kind NOS components. Whether people are smart enough to figure all that out is above my paygrade.
You have to be smarter than the pedals.
I honestly don't know why i even try sometimes but i guess its unrealistic to think you can connect on some level with everybody on a guitar forum.
 
The internet is full of BS & BSers, but there are still a few gems of truth out there.

 
At 1:25:20 Josh discusses the opamp and then shows how similar the original LM308 chip in the RAT circuit to the OP07 chip currently being used:

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I go by what a pedal sounds like not charts & graph printouts.
Call me old fashioned i guess.
Do people still listen to pedals or is it what color the paint is now ?
 
LLL said:
I'm thinking fuschia.

As the eminent tone-ho here, a fuschia RAT would be the pinnacle of RAT TOAN.
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No they are not, but I'll bet $1000 that you can't tell an LM308 vs a OP07DP in a series of blind randomized trials in a statistically reliable way.
 
Aceman said:
No they are not, but I'll bet $1000 that you can't tell an LM308 vs a OP07DP in a series of blind randomized trials in a statistically reliable way.
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I'll bet you $onebeeliondollars that I won't take that bet because I don't believe in magical LM308 BS.

I'll also bet that your bet was actually offered to someone else here and you accidentally quoted moi.
 
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All the different colors are the exact same circuit. Cool options though.

As for the op-amp, GuitarStv covered it. Josh has explained this and he knows what he's talking about.
 
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