Rediscovering the Fluence KSE's (and Moderns)

Rex_Rocker

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I've been pretty vocal about my love for Fishman pickups. I do think there is a lot of hype around them, but they really are THAT good.

Don't get me wrong. They don't make me want to throw all my passives away. Passives have still got their place, but I have been an EMG guy ever since the second pickup swap I made (I had a Super Distortion which I didn't quite gel with which I swapped for an EMG 85 in the bridge). I later came to realize the EMG 81 is home for me.

However, recently, newer EMG's have sounded odd. They don't sound like they used to. I don't mean to sound like a boomer, but this change happened like what? 5 years ago? So rather than going through the PITA of searching for pre-2018 EMG's, I decided to give Fishman Moderns a try, and I was blown away. They did exactly what my beloved EMG's did, just better. I always liked how the 81 sounded so tight and focused. Well the Modern Ceramic is tighter and more focused. I love how the 85 is super smooth for leads and balances well with the 81 in the bridge. Well the Modern Alnico is clearer and balances even better.

I then tried a bunch of Fishmans. I loved all of them. Will Adlers, Classics, and then, the KSE's. I love the band KSE, BTW. Especially Alive or Just Breathing. And then the tones on TEOH and ADL are to-die-for.

I love how the KSE's build upon the Moderns. I slapped them in my Gibson Les Paul which is a naturally LOUD, fat, and slightly dark guitar. THe KSE's balance out perfectly. I also have a set of Moderns lying around, and I've fully A/B'd them, but for me, the KSE's just sound better not just in this guitar, but in my Epi (another Les Paul that is less fat and brighter).

The site describes them as being lower output than the Moderns with tighter low-end, and more upper mids. I do find the upper mids more aggressive and in-your-face, but I actually don't find them to have less low-end. If anything, they have a tiny tiny bit more. They do have much less low-mids, thus making the low-end cleaner and arguably tight while still having a tiny bit more oomph to the palm-mutes. No mud or stuffiness. They're also not lower output whatosever. They're equally hot... which is about the same level of heat you get from an 81. But they do feel drier from the less squishy low mids and the bolder upper-mids.

Overall, I think these are my pickups. I've tried a bunch of passives in my Gibson, but I've always found I have to severely drop the bass knob on my amp (sim), use super bright/aggressive/focused boosts that cut tons of low-end, or both. With the KSE's, they're voiced just right for what I go for in a tone. They've still got the typical low-end/high-end rolloff that EMG's and Moderns have, they're just voiced differently.

I've wanted to try the Devins and the Abasis for a while, but I don't know if I'd like them, because what I love about the KSE's is exactly them being scooped right in the mids that I like to scoop out: the muddy, stuffy, bloated lower mids, and it seems like the Devins and the Abasis step in the opposite direction.

So yeah... give these a try if you get the chance.

:)
 
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nice review!
Great you found the perfect Pickups for you,
but i get the feeling you're still not giving up pickup swapping:D

it's no hassle to get old EMGs, there all over the place;), but yeah the balance isn't all that great and you moved on.

as others mentioned before, a thinned out EMG 81 really sounds bad on paper.
Never tried the KSE or moderns and i will not buy them as replacement PUs since that descriptions turns me off, too.
But there are some nice Schecters and ESPs in which the moderns are coming in and i may check those out.

I have currently 3 EMG loaded Guitars and just sold off my SD AHB-3 EMTYS (i really liked them) since i don't play the active thing that often and 4 guitars with actives is just too much for me. The EMGs are still there, if i need to do a authentic cover of some classics, but they are not my favorite pickups. the compression and the mid dominant EQ get's on my nerves pretty quickly, but yeah, it's perfect for that specific sound, which i like, but if would be forced to have only one guitar, it would not spot EMGs or any high output PU.

- in one LP copy the EMG 81 is the perfect tightness, and enough meat. Even some more balls wouldn't hurt.
- in one the EMG 81 is too bright and skinny and i changed it to the 58. (bright Trem, alder/maple superstrat)
- and the last one is a 7string turned down a whole step which indeed can get a bit bassy, but my amp is up to the task. Here the Fluence might actually be an improvement, but actually i think a PAF7 or other low/med output pickups might be better, since they can do a better crunch sound and the amp can still pull the heavy lifting if needed.
 
Yeah, you know me, LOL. I'm always wanting to try new pickups out.


The thing for me about the 81 is I don't grab it expecting a fat-sounding pickup. There are plenty other pickups that do that better. I grab one because it's tight as hell because it has a severe low-end rolloff that no passive has. As far as EMG's go, out of the classic series humbuckers, it might have the least amount of low-end. I grab it because of that. If I wanted fat, I'd just grab something else, probably a passive. That's just me, though.

So when I found something that had an even steeper low-end rolloff, for me, that's just doing what the EMG 81 does for me, just better even. And if I feel like using a fat-sounding passive, I just pull on the volume knob, and bam, instant passive sounds.

I do feel however that I tend to live in one single voicing of the Fishman sets, and rarely flick. But it's nice to have them there just in case.


Also for me... I don't know. I feel like if I commit to one guitar having actives or EMG-esque sounding pickups, I kinda have to commit to that since passives sound so different. I usually find that when I dial in a tone for a guitar with EMG's, as soon as I plug a guitar with passives in, it's an instant bloated bassy and trebly harsh mess. And when I dial in a sound for passives, as soon as I plug EMG's (or Fishman Moderns) in, it sounds so vocal, thin, and lifeless.

JMO, of course.
 
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Totally agree.

the low end roll of, can also be achieved with a series cap, though.
yeah the highs can be messy with passive and high gain, but that’s also rather easy to tame…
 
I just ordered a set of the Fluence Modern Open Cores. They’ll be my first set of active pickups. I’m pretty psyched to try them.
 
I also ordered a set of Invaders. They’ll be my first metal-oriented Duncans, although I have a Pearly Gates neck and Custom bridge in my first Les Paul Custom.
 
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