Refin guys: options for sanding and/or spraying location?

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I am itching to do a refin on my Warmoth LP. I know all the steps, tools, supplies, and so forth (this will be my second finish on this guitar, and I learned a lot from the first one).

The main thing I don't have is a good place to actually do the work. I live in an apartment and I don't have anywhere like a garage or rec room that I can mess up with finishing work. I do have an outdoor patio, but a. it's really cold outside right now, and b. my fiancee is pretty against me spraying out there.

I've been pondering some odd options, like turning the 2nd bathroom's shower into a spray booth with some newspaper and air ducts, or using an old camping tent on the patio as a spray booth. Both those options seem slightly insane though.

What do you guys do to sand off and spray finishes? What might work for me?
 
Re: Refin guys: options for sanding and/or spraying location?

I used my 2nd bathroom's shower in my apartment for spraying when i was finishing my jolly roger.

Make sure you get a bunch of plastic drop cloths and cover every surface of the bathroom, cuz unless you have a massively powerful bathroom fan, ventilation might not be great, and as a result, you could have a lot of paint dust settling on parts of your bathroom you don't want covered.

Get a gas mask and clear goggles or a full-face gas mask, again, cuz of the ventilation.

I rigged up some hooks to hold the guitar body, suspended from the shower rail. Make sure yours is solidly mounted to the wall before doing this, as it will need to support the weight of the guitar body and whatever other hardware you've got holding it up.

Be careful about entering and exiting the bathroom as the draft of air whipped up by opening the door can whip up whatever dust is in the bathroom and then you might find specks of gunk lodged in the guitar's coats.

What I did was suspend the drop cloth in front of the door, and had pretty much the entire rest of the bathroom separated from the door with drop cloths. Had an overlapping section where i could enter/exit the spray area without disturbing the air in there, and that also had the effect of isolating the draft from the door.

Also, be careful about footwear/clothing - I found that a couple times, I carelessly tracked paint around the house with my shoes because I didn't think any would get on the sole of my shoes. Turns out I was wrong. Fortunately, it scraped off pretty easily once it was dry. It also helps to get a body suit or at least some old clothes you don't mind getting paint on for the actual spraying. Every time I went in there I had to put on the clothes I set aside for paint, then the gasmask, and goggles, hair secured under a cap or whatever, gloves on, and forward into battle.

As for sanding - a hand sander will get the job done quicker, but you can always just use your hands. it takes a bit longer, but as long as you have a good eye for details/spotting the inconsistencies in a coat and knowing how to fix them (or leave it for the next coat to fix, as is the case sometimes), then doing it by hand is perfectly fine. Since it is long, slow going, if you're doing it by hand, I find that being relaxed and having something to do while your hands are keeping busy is a good idea. I'd usually just plop myself down in front of the TV with a beer, my sandpaper and a bowl of water (if wet sanding) and while away a few hours.

I was using spray cans at the time. But I've been thinking about getting a turbine-powered HVLP sprayer if/when i start doing more finishes/refinishes. Wagner makes a couple and Home Depot/Lowe's should have them. Apparently they work fine for lacquers and poly, are quite an affordable setup, and you can achieve good results if you have the technique down. Certainly easier than getting a $1000 noisy air compressor and a full spraygun outfit.
 
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Re: Refin guys: options for sanding and/or spraying location?

I use the shed in the garden and only do it in spring and fall.
 
Re: Refin guys: options for sanding and/or spraying location?

Cool.

The shower in my 2nd bathroom is a closed cabinet style. That's good for keeping paint dust isolated, but bad for hanging things.

The vent fan in that bathroom is weaksauce, but I was thinking of rigging up a more powerful fan above the shower (maybe a range hood fan - those are much more powerful than a bathroom fan) and connecting it to the vent via that flexible duct stuff. All used/salvaged parts.

The other insane idea was to set up an old camping tent on the patio and doing the painting in there. I'd just throw out the tent after I was done.

Third idea is to ask one of the local auto body shops if I can borrow their spray booth for a while.
 
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I spray lacquer outside regardless of temp. The only things that matter outdoors is wind, humidity and airborne debris (pollen, bugs etc). I find the best time to spray with lowest humidity or other issues is in the winter. I'll use the garage in a pinch, but it stinks to holy hell.

Please don't spray lacquer indoors without proper ventilation. If the poisonous fumes don't kill you, the spontaneous combustion will
 
Re: Refin guys: options for sanding and/or spraying location?

You can't spray in the house. Your fiancee will be sooooo pissed about the smell and you both will probably have chronic headaches while the lacquer is curing.

A portable outdoor spray tan both that models use when they are on location with a simple box fan and a filter would work.

It'd fit on your patio but you won't be able to spray much until Winter is over. You would have to hold the items while you spray unless you've figured out how to rig some kid of hanger.

I say go for it.
 
Re: Refin guys: options for sanding and/or spraying location?

Why not? Lacquer finishes just fine in cold weather.

As long as the humidity is low, you can spray in a wide range of temperatures. However, IME drying time is significantly longer in cold weather.
 
Re: Refin guys: options for sanding and/or spraying location?

I'll spray outside in 30 degree weather, let it gas off for 10-15 mins then bring it inside after most of the fumes have dissipated. It's dry to the touch within a few minutes. I can do 2-3 coats a day like this, tho I've usually got too much else going on anyway to do more than 1-2 on any given day
 
Re: Refin guys: options for sanding and/or spraying location?

Humidity is usually pretty damn high here in the Winter 'cause it rains here a lot (it's been raining for over a week now). Most outdoor spraying in NC this time of year is blush city.

Plus, paint doesn't want to flow when it's cold (more spitting). I also don't like the curing of nitro lacquer in cold weather... it seems like the process not only takes longer but is ever slightly altered.

Obviously, if you know what you're doing and are experienced at cold weather finishing, the results are most likely superb.
 
Re: Refin guys: options for sanding and/or spraying location?

A fan is driven by an electric motor. An electric motor can sometimes create an internal spark. Place this in a small enclosed space with vapourised paint, which is a highly flammable liquid, and ...

( extractor fans used in spraying facilities usually have the fan and motor separated, with the fan being driven by a belt, so that the motor is out of the path of the fumes as they are drawn through the fan).

Hopefully this will give you cause to think a little further about how to do this.
 
Re: Refin guys: options for sanding and/or spraying location?

Some excellent points here.

I think I'm going to rule out any form of spraying inside the apartment. Too many risks I can't manage.

So I guess that leaves the patio, or somewhere other than my home.
 
Re: Refin guys: options for sanding and/or spraying location?

Got any auto-body shops nearby that do spraying ? Approach them and tell them what you want to do, for a few beers they may let you do your spraying there (they might even let you use their compressor and guns, so check before you buy any paint).
 
Re: Refin guys: options for sanding and/or spraying location?

It looks like pinto79 has solved my problem. I'll explain when the time comes. Basically, I'm just gonna let someone else do the clear coat for me - it will come out a lot better that way, and I won't have to worry about making a huge mess/fire hazard.

Thanks all.
 
Re: Refin guys: options for sanding and/or spraying location?

I am intrigued by the sudden mysterious twist in the plot
 
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