Replacing a 3 wire Humbucker with a 5 wire one - Help!

[larry_emder]

Gday all,

I'm replacing the stock Hum in my parker p-40 (HSS config) with a Puretone 'Scorpion'

The Stock hum has 3 wires - Ground (shield), Red (goes to 3rd lug on 5 way switch looking left to right), and White (Goes to last (8th) lug looking left to right.)

The "scorpion" Has 5 wires - Ground (shield), green, red, white and black.

Could some kind individual show me where these wires go?

I'm *pretty* sure that on the scorpion, Black is hot, Red and whte are used together for coil tapping, and green and shield are joined together and go to ground. I just need to know what goes where :yell:

 

[larry_emder]

Re: Replacing a 3 wire Humbucker with a 5 wire one - Help!

Can anyone help me out here? Anyone know what im talking about? Tried searching and came up empty handed. Never seen a 3 wire humbucker before so thats whats throwing me.

 

[Artie]

Re: Replacing a 3 wire Humbucker with a 5 wire one - Help!

This will be a somewhat generic answer, because I'm not familar with those pups color codes, but basically, you have two coils in each pup. On the first one, they've tied one coil and ground together internally, and they've tied the two coils together internally and brought the "tap" wire out. The Scorpion gives you all 5 of those wires.

On your stock pup, I'm guessing that white is your hot wire, and red is the "tap". So, on the new pup, you'ld tie one wire to ground, connect two more together to make the tap, and then still have the hot left over. If it was a Seymour Duncan, it would be like this:

Stock . . . . . SD
Ground . . . . green and bare
red . . . . . . .red and white
white . . . . . black

Trouble is, I don't what they'ld be on the Scorpion. Did it come with any paperwork that shows color codes?

Artie

 

[larry_emder]

Re: Replacing a 3 wire Humbucker with a 5 wire one - Help!

Yes it did come with paperwork artie, but i think i've lost it - Am pretty sure though that what i said was right, as i have wired it up in my les paul previously. I'll get some pics up in a minute to give you a better idea, i just tried wiring it in unsuccessfully. It sounded really weak, trebly and noisy

 

[larry_emder]

Re: Replacing a 3 wire Humbucker with a 5 wire one - Help!

Okay, this is how it originally looked, and what i tried with the 5 wire pickup (scorpion)

The scorpion did NOT sound like a humbucker in any of the configuration i tried (i have used it in my les paul previously, so i know how it sounds). It sounded VERY weak (quiet) and trebly, worse than the single coils.

I am at a loss as to what to do. Any ideas?

 

[larry_emder]

Re: Replacing a 3 wire Humbucker with a 5 wire one - Help!

Anyone want a crack at this?

 

[Zhangliqun]

Re: Replacing a 3 wire Humbucker with a 5 wire one - Help!

This will be a somewhat generic answer, because I'm not familar with those pups color codes, but basically, you have two coils in each pup. On the first one, they've tied one coil and ground together internally, and they've tied the two coils together internally and brought the "tap" wire out. The Scorpion gives you all 5 of those wires.

On your stock pup, I'm guessing that white is your hot wire, and red is the "tap". So, on the new pup, you'ld tie one wire to ground, connect two more together to make the tap, and then still have the hot left over. If it was a Seymour Duncan, it would be like this:

Stock . . . . . SD
Ground . . . . green and bare
red . . . . . . .red and white
white . . . . . black

Trouble is, I don't what they'ld be on the Scorpion. Did it come with any paperwork that shows color codes?

Artie

I don't see the point of the 5th lead if the coil junction leads (red and white on a Duncan) soldered together are the same thing.

By the way, I need that wiring diagram on the Adjust-A-Mud! For God's sake, man -- where is your humanity!!!

(just kidding -- partially...)

 

[Artie]

Re: Replacing a 3 wire Humbucker with a 5 wire one - Help!

I don't see the point of the 5th lead if the coil junction leads (red and white on a Duncan) soldered together are the same thing.

The 5th lead is just the bare ground wire. So, on a Duncan, you'ld have:
bare, green, red, white, and black. Bare and green can go together, and red and white can go together, leaving you, essentially, three leads - ground, "tap", and hot.

By the way, I need that wiring diagram on the Adjust-A-Mud! For God's sake, man -- where is your humanity!!!

(just kidding -- partially...)

I won't forget you bro. This week we're working on the Kennedy. Any time I work on a ship, I'm about dead when I get home. They don't like civilian auto's parked close to warships, so we have to lug our equipment about 1/2 a mile or more one way. Then up the steep stairs and plank onto the ship. I barely want to draw a bath, much less a diagram, by the time I get home.

I'll try to get all caught up this weekend. I know I owe a few other drawings as well.

Artie

 

[Zhangliqun]

Re: Replacing a 3 wire Humbucker with a 5 wire one - Help!

I'll be waiting with baited breath...