Replacing Speaker in Modeling Amp
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Chistopher
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Re: Replacing Speaker in Modeling Amp
I'm no expert, but I'd think if you replace the speaker the tones that the amp is modeling would be slightly off, I don't know if that matters to you, but it's something to consider.
You should also wait and put a few miles onto it before you go and change anything.
I'm no expert, but I'd think if you replace the speaker the tones that the amp is modeling would be slightly off, I don't know if that matters to you, but it's something to consider.
You should also wait and put a few miles onto it before you go and change anything.
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Little Pigbacon
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Don’t give too much credence to theories about how modeling systems should work. I think most of them are already slightly off anyway. I used to enjoy running a modeler into my Marshall half-stack, and I found I liked it better with the cabinet emulation turned on. Makes no sense in the context of how it’s supposed to work, but there it was.
Don’t give too much credence to theories about how modeling systems should work. I think most of them are already slightly off anyway. I used to enjoy running a modeler into my Marshall half-stack, and I found I liked it better with the cabinet emulation turned on. Makes no sense in the context of how it’s supposed to work, but there it was.
Wattage
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Re: Replacing Speaker in Modeling Amp
Weber Speakers, I've changed a few of them in the Valvetronix amps over the years. Just did one for my buddy this Xmas and he loves it. I have used the 8s the most in the 15wt. I haven't messed with the XT yet so you want to make sure you have the room.
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Weber Speakers, I've changed a few of them in the Valvetronix amps over the years. Just did one for my buddy this Xmas and he loves it. I have used the 8s the most in the 15wt. I haven't messed with the XT yet so you want to make sure you have the room.
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Jacew
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Re: Replacing Speaker in Modeling Amp
That has been my experience too. Cab sims are possibly the weakest spot on modelers usually.
Try out what you like about it, and then when you which way you want to upgrade, if you want to, look for speaker that would do that.
"Upgrading" speaker without knowing what you're after is a lottery.
That has been my experience too. Cab sims are possibly the weakest spot on modelers usually.
Try out what you like about it, and then when you which way you want to upgrade, if you want to, look for speaker that would do that.
"Upgrading" speaker without knowing what you're after is a lottery.
PFDarkside
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Re: Replacing Speaker in Modeling Amp
Technically a modeler should be feeding an ultra linear power amp with flat response speakers and all the amp, speaker and cab coloration should be coming from the modeler. That being said, I think a nice guitar focused speaker would have to be an upgrade depending on the cost and design of the OEM one. As Jace mentions, just because you upgrade doesn’t mean you get what you want....
Technically a modeler should be feeding an ultra linear power amp with flat response speakers and all the amp, speaker and cab coloration should be coming from the modeler. That being said, I think a nice guitar focused speaker would have to be an upgrade depending on the cost and design of the OEM one. As Jace mentions, just because you upgrade doesn’t mean you get what you want....
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Securb
One of Jerry's Kids
Re: Replacing Speaker in Modeling Amp
I noticed you say "I am getting". I would suggest you listen to the amp before you decide to change the speaker, you might be satisfied with the tone. Or if you have concerns about the speaker do not by the amp. The VOX has a 10" 5-ohm speaker. It would be challenging to find something with that size and ohm rating to match it that has a flat/neutral response. You could put in an 8-ohm 10-inch speaker, but you are going to lose some volume. The best speaker I can think of for a modeling amp would be an Eminence Wheelhouse. Unfortunatlly they only come in '12 and '15 sizes.
I noticed you say "I am getting". I would suggest you listen to the amp before you decide to change the speaker, you might be satisfied with the tone. Or if you have concerns about the speaker do not by the amp. The VOX has a 10" 5-ohm speaker. It would be challenging to find something with that size and ohm rating to match it that has a flat/neutral response. You could put in an 8-ohm 10-inch speaker, but you are going to lose some volume. The best speaker I can think of for a modeling amp would be an Eminence Wheelhouse. Unfortunatlly they only come in '12 and '15 sizes.
Lewguitar
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Re: Replacing Speaker in Modeling Amp
I think replacing a cheap speaker with a good Celestion 12 is almost always a move in the right direction.
My Fender Mustang 3 is a modeler, sounds truly amazing, and has a sweet sounding Celestion 12.
You need to decide if the amp is worth putting a $150 speaker in tho.
If you decide to go for it, I’d recommend the G12H30.
I think replacing a cheap speaker with a good Celestion 12 is almost always a move in the right direction.
My Fender Mustang 3 is a modeler, sounds truly amazing, and has a sweet sounding Celestion 12.
You need to decide if the amp is worth putting a $150 speaker in tho.
If you decide to go for it, I’d recommend the G12H30.
Like-a-Stone
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Re: Replacing Speaker in Modeling Amp
Quick answer... No
IMO it is not worth upgrading any "solid state" amp
Quick answer... No
IMO it is not worth upgrading any "solid state" amp
Lewguitar
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Re: Replacing Speaker in Modeling Amp
Depends on the amp. My Mustang 3 is a modeler and the best $350 I’ve spent on an amp in a long, long time.
Comes with a Celestion 12, btw.
I’d recommend the OP buy a Fender Mustang and not the Vox.
Also, if you want the sound of a Marshall or Vox amp, you need the speaker that makes that sound: a Celestion.
Depends on the amp. My Mustang 3 is a modeler and the best $350 I’ve spent on an amp in a long, long time.
Comes with a Celestion 12, btw.
I’d recommend the OP buy a Fender Mustang and not the Vox.
Also, if you want the sound of a Marshall or Vox amp, you need the speaker that makes that sound: a Celestion.
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Re: Replacing Speaker in Modeling Amp
I think we should be careful in assuming that a modeling amp’s speaker has “flat/neutral response”. They’re still giant paper midrange drivers, with no real low bass, limited high treble, and often spikey havoc in between. If you’re a modeler running into a mixer, a recording interface, a good PA or headphones, you can assume flat and neutral and use pretty straight-ahead cabinet emulation filters, but in feeding something that’s already a guitar speaker, I think you’d also need to correct for the coloration of the speaker on board.
I think we should be careful in assuming that a modeling amp’s speaker has “flat/neutral response”. They’re still giant paper midrange drivers, with no real low bass, limited high treble, and often spikey havoc in between. If you’re a modeler running into a mixer, a recording interface, a good PA or headphones, you can assume flat and neutral and use pretty straight-ahead cabinet emulation filters, but in feeding something that’s already a guitar speaker, I think you’d also need to correct for the coloration of the speaker on board.
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Securb
One of Jerry's Kids
Re: Replacing Speaker in Modeling Amp
The JC120 does great with a speaker swap. I use mine with Eminence Wheelhouse 12s, and it sounds fantastic. Solid state does not mean the amp is lacking or inexpensive in any way. There are plenty of ~ $1000+ solid state guitar amps on the market that are fantastic. The nice thing is there are some budget priced solid state amps that sound great. There are offings from Quilter, Roland, Kemper and Henriksen that are just as good if not better than the tube amps on the market. Solid state vs. tube is a matter of taste, not tone or quality. It also has nothing to do with the style of music. There are plenty of guitarists from jazz to country to heavy metal that get their tone from solid state amps.
The JC120 does great with a speaker swap. I use mine with Eminence Wheelhouse 12s, and it sounds fantastic. Solid state does not mean the amp is lacking or inexpensive in any way. There are plenty of ~ $1000+ solid state guitar amps on the market that are fantastic. The nice thing is there are some budget priced solid state amps that sound great. There are offings from Quilter, Roland, Kemper and Henriksen that are just as good if not better than the tube amps on the market. Solid state vs. tube is a matter of taste, not tone or quality. It also has nothing to do with the style of music. There are plenty of guitarists from jazz to country to heavy metal that get their tone from solid state amps.
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Lewguitar
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Re: Replacing Speaker in Modeling Amp
Besides, there’s a big diff between modeling amps and conventional solid state amps.
Modeling amps maybe ought to be called “digital” amps.
Calling them solid state amps ignores what they actually do.
And like I said, if you want the sound of a Vox or Marshall get the speaker that created that sound: a Celestion.
Or a modeling amp that comes with a Celestion. Like the Mustang 3.
Besides, there’s a big diff between modeling amps and conventional solid state amps.
Modeling amps maybe ought to be called “digital” amps.
Calling them solid state amps ignores what they actually do.
And like I said, if you want the sound of a Vox or Marshall get the speaker that created that sound: a Celestion.
Or a modeling amp that comes with a Celestion. Like the Mustang 3.
Re: Replacing Speaker in Modeling Amp
The issue here is that the OP probably should have locked this thread. I'm pretty sure he's asking about something different now. Not that I care. I understand that the choices can be overwhelming, even to those who have been around a long time. It's just that it's kind of a waste of time to reply here if he's moved on to considering something else.
The issue here is that the OP probably should have locked this thread. I'm pretty sure he's asking about something different now. Not that I care. I understand that the choices can be overwhelming, even to those who have been around a long time. It's just that it's kind of a waste of time to reply here if he's moved on to considering something else.
Diego
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Re: Replacing Speaker in Modeling Amp
I used to have a Roland Cube 60 and many people changed the speakers in it with great success, plenty of evidence in forums.
I also connected mine to my 2x12 and dirty tones were way better than by itself. Some sounds might be off, some are way better. Definitely worth it for me.
I used to have a Roland Cube 60 and many people changed the speakers in it with great success, plenty of evidence in forums.
I also connected mine to my 2x12 and dirty tones were way better than by itself. Some sounds might be off, some are way better. Definitely worth it for me.
Jacew
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Re: Replacing Speaker in Modeling Amp
Haven't tried Mustang III, but I've played with Mustang II and Vox VT20X and own a Mustang I. Stock, Vox was best sounding of the three.
However Mustang I through a good cab (I modded it into head) is just genuinely great sounding amp.
Haven't tried Mustang III, but I've played with Mustang II and Vox VT20X and own a Mustang I. Stock, Vox was best sounding of the three.
However Mustang I through a good cab (I modded it into head) is just genuinely great sounding amp.
