Restoring/Modifying Gibson175's Beloved Twin Reverb (lotsa pics)

Re: Restoring/Modifying Gibson175's Beloved Twin Reverb (lotsa pics)

Those board issues are not uncommon...depending how the amp has been treated and maintained over it's life time.

My dad rewired a 66 Pro once all on turret strips because it's board was toast.

Sounded amazing when it was done and ended up being the most punchy BF Fender I've heard to this day!
 
Re: Restoring/Modifying Gibson175's Beloved Twin Reverb (lotsa pics)

IIRC when I got my Bassman, this is what had happened to the original board. If zzmoore happens to pop in this thread, he could confirm. I remember that he told me at the time that it was fairly common for fenders of this vintage. He had to build me a new one too.
Your Fiber Board was REAL warped as I recall.
I was getting close to 1 Volt DC leakage somewhere...past a coupling cap perhaps...cannot recall exactly at this point. That was about 2 years ago I guess.
I do not know how common it is/was in reality.....but it sure is common to hear people SAY that it is a problem.
I believe that is why CBS started to wax the boards...to prevent any kind of moisture absorption...that might lead to the board being conductive. Lots of maybes I guess.
Anyway.....that glass turret board we put in your chassis is a much better way to go IMO.

Back to the OP.....I am DULY impressed with what guys in Australia can produce when shipping costs inspire creativity.:)
Well Done
 
Re: Restoring/Modifying Gibson175's Beloved Twin Reverb (lotsa pics)

Yep. Crusty should be our Prime Minister. I've said it before, but now that ive had a chance to try out the newly rebuilt amp, I am planning on starting the Crusty Philtrum party hopefully in time for the next election.
He has managed to nail all the tones i was hoping for out of both channels. Here is what he did:
Both channels now have reverb so ill call the old reverb channel the main channel and the old non-reverb channel, channel 1.

Channel one has sprague tone caps and exhibits the classic sparkly, spanky cutting fender twin tone with some serious top end slice. It is how we all imagine really good twins to sound. I am stoked that it has reverb. My only wish is that i still had a telecaster because i think it would be an amazing combination.

The main channel has mallory tone caps for a smoother sound than the spragues with slightly softer edges. He also changed the cap values to match that of a super reverb's tone stack which has significantly more lows and low mids than a twin. Its an altogether thicker and warmer sound with a softer feel. If it was a pickup it would be a fat sounding alnico II (perhaps a pearly gates neck) whereas channel one is somewhat like an alnico 5 '59.

The way cool thing that i did not request from crusty, but was a kind of happy outcome of having the reverb on both channels is that both channels are now in phase. What this means is that i can jumper the two channels and blend them.
This is pretty awesome.
Last night i plugged into the main channel, then ran the jumper via an overdrive pedal into channel one, allowing me to have an overdrive sound on once channel and blend in as much clean tone as i wanted to get extra dynamic response. Its pretty wild and something i know ill be using a lot. This is something reverb equipped fender amps normally cannot do.

Essentially, crusty has created a "two amps in one" kind of amp. Most twin users pull out the first tube and never use channel one, so its great that i can get a completely different amp sound just by plugging into a different input -and still have reverb on either channel! I guess i can get an a/b box and channel switch if i want to also.

Another bonus of the shared reverb is that now the main channel has a much smoother taper on the volume knob. It can still go as loud as it used to but now the graduation between 1 and 6 is more like what i used to get between 1 and 3 or 4. It allows me to fine tune the volume much more easily. Channel one is still as "all or nothing" as it ever was. If both channels are on 4, channel one is sugnificantly louder, so i need to crank the main channel to 6 for the same volume. At "10" they are both more or less the same.

Im really happy with crusty's amazing eye for detail and meticulous work and im indebted to him. This amp is now ready for another 40 odd years of great tone.

Thanks Neil.
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Re: Restoring/Modifying Gibson175's Beloved Twin Reverb (lotsa pics)

Noice work, Neil.

FWIIW, I do not believe that the thin cables with green plastic-insulation are original Fender.
 
Re: Restoring/Modifying Gibson175's Beloved Twin Reverb (lotsa pics)

This is totally freaking awesome.

Carving LPs out of trees and restoring amps using nothing more than dried twigs and used bubble gum? Never mind PM, I hereby nominate Crusty for Supreme Galactic Overlord.
 
Re: Restoring/Modifying Gibson175's Beloved Twin Reverb (lotsa pics)

That's just awe inspiring. Beautiful work! I wish I knew the insides of my Fenders that well.
 
Re: Restoring/Modifying Gibson175's Beloved Twin Reverb (lotsa pics)

very nice work! cool thread too
 
Re: Restoring/Modifying Gibson175's Beloved Twin Reverb (lotsa pics)

Noice work, Neil.

FWIIW, I do not believe that the thin cables with green plastic-insulation are original Fender.

It had me confused, because there are a few pieces of the traditional cloth-covered wire in there, but the wires from the board to the control pots was very Fender-like in the way it was done. I couldn't work out why anyone would need to replace 95% of the wiring when the rest of the amp seemed ok (tired, but not showing signs of fire or anything else that would necessitate replacing all the wire). Ultimately i doesn't matter now as most of the wiring has been replaced with better wire and some colour variations to make working in there somewhat easier.

I've been inside countless Fender amps and seen some work that has left me speechless, so on the scale of things, this particular abberation was not to horrible, and knowing i was making a new board, replacing the wire was not too much of a drama, and I'm sure anyone else who might work on this amp in the future will find my version easy to deal with. Plus i can sleep well at night knowing exactly what kind of wire was used, and that it's up to the task.
 
Re: Restoring/Modifying Gibson175's Beloved Twin Reverb (lotsa pics)

This is totally freaking awesome.

Carving LPs out of trees and restoring amps using nothing more than dried twigs and used bubble gum? Never mind PM, I hereby nominate Crusty for Supreme Galactic Overlord.

I'm not sure I'd be able to get up early enough for such a prestigious position.

How much does it pay?
 
Re: Restoring/Modifying Gibson175's Beloved Twin Reverb (lotsa pics)

Can't believe I missed this. And yes, Crusty should be PM - pithy wisdom and technical expertise.
 
Re: Restoring/Modifying Gibson175's Beloved Twin Reverb (lotsa pics)

this is why this forum is way better than TGP.. users help each other !
 
Re: Restoring/Modifying Gibson175's Beloved Twin Reverb (lotsa pics)

Absolutely fantastic work!!
 
Re: Restoring/Modifying Gibson175's Beloved Twin Reverb (lotsa pics)

Definitely UPPER Crust........y

Awesome stuff.
 
Re: Restoring/Modifying Gibson175's Beloved Twin Reverb (lotsa pics)

I'll bet Crusty put his Guyatone board into Gibson175's amp, and then kept all the Fender stuff for his build! hahaha

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