Return my lovely Les Paul Custom to its original aesthetic and period sound

rze99

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I am the lucky owner of a beautifully aged 1974 Wine Red Gibson Les Paul Custom 20th Anniversary. When I bought it in the mid 80's it had already had the pickups swapped out for a set of cream Di Marzio dual sounds and two mini toggle switches added to facilitate coil tapping, a la Al Di Meola. The old pickups had did not come with it unfortunately.

This was my main gigging and recording guitar of the last 20 years and I have predominantly used the pickups in single coil mode with the tone knob usually rolled off about 25% more or less, to take off some top end.
This produces a sound that is a bit like a combination of a warm powerful telecaster or a P90 guitar with top end cut and edge with all the warmth and sustain of the mahogany neck and body. The pickups, when set to full humbucking mode, have always seemed to me to be too thick, middly and "closed" with insufficient upper frequencies, so I've only occasionally use them like that, or with an EQ top boost. I go through a late 60s VoxAC30TB and a 65 Fender Deluxe Reverb RI.

Two things have changed

1) I've acquired more guitars that given me a wide variety of sounds and I especially enjoy my P90 guitars.
2) more and more I'm thinking that I want to return this lovely guitar to its original Les Paul Custom aesthetic and period / type authentic look and sound.

So I'm planning to replace the pickups with some kind of vintage spec gold covered humbuckers preferably not new bright and shiny when the rest of a the hardware is aged.

There is also the matter of the mini switches for the coil tap. These switches have been very professionally executed and I'd opt to keep them rather than remove and fill the holes for obvious reasons.

So, the question is, what pickup would you recommend to replace the Di Marzios with and why? While the somewhat obvious answer is "period correct original Gibson humbuckers", they're pretty hard to get hold of these in the UK, at a sensible price certainly - but also the coil tap switches would then be void whereas it would make sense to make use of them if at all possible. All your considered thoughts much appreciated.
 
Re: Return my lovely Les Paul Custom to its original aesthetic and period sound

"So I'm planning to replace the pickups with some kind of vintage spec gold covered humbuckers preferably not new bright and shiny when the rest of a the hardware is aged."

"period correct original Gibson humbuckers"

You want the Duncan Antiquities. Seymour made them for exactly what you want to do.
 
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Eh if it was me I would just find an original set. They havent hit the unobtainium prices of original PAF's yet.
 
Re: Return my lovely Les Paul Custom to its original aesthetic and period sound

You're in the UK? Call up Tim from Bareknuckle and explain everything. He'll wind you what you want and age the covers to match the hardware on the guitar.
 
Re: Return my lovely Les Paul Custom to its original aesthetic and period sound

Yeah, I'd check out BKP and do as tc suggests. Great stuff, although pricey in the States.

The SD Ants are nice too!
 
Re: Return my lovely Les Paul Custom to its original aesthetic and period sound

a pair of whole lotta humbuckers with aged gold covers from the SD custom shop
 
Re: Return my lovely Les Paul Custom to its original aesthetic and period sound

74 era is T-tops. If you want the guitar to how it originally was then nothing else will suffice. They've got stupidly expensive for originals now - so its actually cheaper to get a custom wound pickup to those specs. Many winders do T-top replicas......there is someone called ReWind who I've used (and recommend) who does them, plus I'm sure anyone who has a custom winding part of their business could do something close. The devil is in the details though, and you need the right wire and the short A5 to get there.

The secondary option is to take a Gibson 490R pickup, swap the magnet to a short A5, and put an aged gold cover on it. This (from people who've compared them to T-tops) is quite close tonally and would do the job if you've not got a lot of $$ to spend.
 
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Too bad nobody is suggesting anything period correct.

T tops. Tarbacks/super humbuckers. Low out put..7.5 ish K. Poly wire. Even winds. Short a5 mags or even a3 in some of the early 70s. Some tarbacks are ceramic.

Try Manlius for T top clones. or Bare Knuckle Riff Raffs if BK is your thing (short mags, pe wire)

The closest thing in Duncans are original a2 pros, but they are not quite right. Eq is not as balanced as aT top or late pat#.
 
Re: Return my lovely Les Paul Custom to its original aesthetic and period sound

Or a set of Pearly Gates...don't they have a new Antiquity version of the Pearly?

Bill
 
Re: Return my lovely Les Paul Custom to its original aesthetic and period sound

A set of A2 Pros with short alnico 5 mags would get you really close pick up some aged gold covers and you should be good to go.
 
Re: Return my lovely Les Paul Custom to its original aesthetic and period sound

A set of A2 Pros with short alnico 5 mags would get you really close pick up some aged gold covers and you should be good to go.

The Alnico II Pro with an A5 is the Jazz humbucker. Same wind.
 
Re: Return my lovely Les Paul Custom to its original aesthetic and period sound

Not with a short A5 it isn't. Short mags don't quite work the same way the long ones do.
 
Re: Return my lovely Les Paul Custom to its original aesthetic and period sound

a pair of whole lotta humbuckers with aged gold covers from the SD custom shop

My first thought was Whole Lotta Humbuckers in gold, and artificially age them myself because gold is pretty easy to tarnish. Or, buy them in black or zebra with gold poles. Zebra with gold poles would look good on a wine red Custom.

These pickups are also 4 conductor, so you can utilize your mini switches.
 
Re: Return my lovely Les Paul Custom to its original aesthetic and period sound

JeffB is correct. You want pickups that suck quite a bit more than Antiquities.

I think 74 is too early for those tarback things but that might be wishful memory. I had a 75 and it was not tar.

I recently bought a SD custom shop set in aged gold that sounds exactly like Antiquities, except they have no Ant label and went cheap. I think that would be a better option. Original is all nice and all but there isn't a reason to give this thing sucky pickups if either way they aren't original as such.

The only thing is that if this is a really heavy LPC it might be nicer to give it a more cutting sound than just good PAFs.
 
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^ The tarbacks were primarily in SG's, and were in them from the early 70's too....as were the super pickups, which were epoxy sealed too but in the L6's. I think they were a bit stronger than tarbacks from Sg's too...about 12K. LP's had T-tops from their reintroduction until 1980. I have an SG from 85 that was fitted with Tarbacks, so they lasted well past when the Shaw took over in LP's.
 
Re: Return my lovely Les Paul Custom to its original aesthetic and period sound

Many thanks all. Great responses guys... really good food for thought. Currently planning to contact the UK bespoke makers Bare Knuckle, Creamery, Mojo, etc., to see what they can do for me. The Antiquities were my fave thought until I realised they didn't have four wires. Also they look a bit too aged perhaps for my guitar - BTW here she is:
Gibson Les Paul Custom 20th Anniversary Wine Red.jpg
 
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