Rivera Clubster Royale first impressions

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My Rivera Clubster Royale 1x12 combo arrived early this afternoon. Man this amp is light! I freaking love how easy it is to carry around. It's like carrying around one of those little 15 watt amps but it's 50 watts - plenty of gigging power. If you are not already familiar with the Rivera Clubster, then let me tell real quick. The Clubster is a 45w combo amp that has been around for a while. It's an incredible little amp that you can use for small to medium gigs, maybe more with an extension cab.

The Clubster Royale is a modified version of the Clubster; taking on the cool vintage stylings of the Venus series, but adding a high gain channel (at least that's the way it was explained to me). It has a high and low input, effects loop with independent send/receive level controls, and real spring reverb. It's loaded with 2 EL34's and 3 12AX7's.

Now for my initial impressions... First off the clean channel is just so good that if you're a clean player, not ever playing a Rivera is like a jazz/blues guitarist who has never played a Gibson ES335. It's like missing out on something that amazing.

The clean channel is very much like a Fender. It's loose and really sensitive just like a Fender Vibrolux, but maybe not as flutey as a Fender. It has the kind a response to your playing that reminds me of a Carvin Legacy II that I used to have, but the Legacy II sounded compressed and this one doesn't.

I have to say that I might even like the cleans on this amp more than any Mesa Boogie I have tried before. It's a clean sound that makes me want to linger on the clean channel playing all kinds of blusey solos even though I really don't play clean very often. That it's inspiring is a good thing indeed.

The first gain mode is fairly gainy by itself. It has enough juice to do all kinds of rock rhythms and single note solos, but just begs for a tiny little push from an overdrive.

When you pull the gain knob it bumps up the 2nd gain stage which has a lot of gain. I think this amp can sound pretty brutal because of the kind of distortion it has. It's not buzzy or fuzzy of fizzy, at least not what I hear. It's a different kind of distortion that might be something between a Vox and a Fender Twin kind of distortion.

If this were an amp with only the clean channel and first gain stage, I would still buy it for the same amount of money. The high gain stuff is a bonus. I would buy it because it obviously sounds incredible, it's so light weight, it's loud enough for most applications, and it comes with real spring reverb and a few other standard options.

Two things you have to keep in mind in this initial opinion:

A) I only had about 20-25 min with it
B). I only played through the high input

Ready for the negative? Not really any show stoppers here but I have a few issues. Here's what I think so far:

1. The stock Celestion 70/80 sounds horrid! It makes the distortion sound nasally, but not in a midrangey kind of way like Joe Bonamassa gets. It's a thin, harsh kind of nasally sound. It lacks low end and midrange, but has a spike in the treble. It's rather thin overall.

2. It has been rather difficult to get a very low volume bedroom tone. Usually there is a little point where you get to at very low volumes where you start hearing less of the fizzy preamp. On this amp it's pretty loud for a home volume before the fizzy preamp sound goes away.

3. The reverb isn't that great. Until 1:00-2:00 it's kind of mild and not very exciting, after that point it starts sounding washed over in reverb. I am not liking the reverb that much at this point, but it's nice to have it as a subtle effect.

Two points I would like to make real quick:

A. I did not have much time with it so there is surely a great deal more I can learn about this amp.

B. Some amps reverbs sound better when those amps are played loud. This might be one of those, or could it be a preamp tube?

C. I think a speaker swap will add the missing low end, fill in the mids, and round off the treble.

D. I will change preamp and power tubes before trying a speaker swap.

Overall, I am very glad that I got this amp. In fact, I'm so anxious to play it now that I'm going to wrap up this little review and put some time in on it. I'll follow up later with some more info and maybe even a picture and sound sample.
 
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question - how do you know its the speaker that sounds bad? have you tried it thru a different speaker?
also - the fizzy dirt - its still a two el34 amp - its still gonna be loud before it gets smooth and the preamp interacts with the power tubes - just like a marshall. thats the nature of big bottle amps and high gain preamps.
 
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question - how do you know its the speaker that sounds bad? have you tried it thru a different speaker?
also - the fizzy dirt - its still a two el34 amp - its still gonna be loud before it gets smooth and the preamp interacts with the power tubes - just like a marshall. thats the nature of big bottle amps and high gain preamps.

Because I have had the Celestion 70/80 speaker before and that's what it sounds like. I do not like it. I don't think they're "big bottle" tubes. They look like regular EL34's.

I can see what you're saying but there is usually a point on amps where you begin with the volume all the way down and gradually turn it up until the bass and mids start filling in. On most amps I have had I have been able to get to that point without getting too loud. This Clubster reaches that point at a rather loud volume.

I have found a couple of ways to get the tone more or less at lower volumes on this amp, but both involves a pedal. The clean channel allows me to go from a very low volume to a moderate bedroom volume, no problem except that my overdrive pedal doesn't have enough gain to get where I want. I need a distortion pedal.

The other way is turning the gain volume way down on the dirty channel and using a pedal, but it's louder than the clean channel by the time I get the sound set.

I spent a lot more time with my amp last night so I figured a few things out. I'll add some comments later.
 
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Try putting a patch cable in the send and return jacks of the fx loop and then turn the levels down a bit. Around 7 is usually unity with Riveras so start there and go down a little at a time. This will let you turn the volume up and run the tubes a little harder and yet not blow out the windows. Its like a free attenuator :)
 
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Try putting a patch cable in the send and return jacks of the fx loop and then turn the levels down a bit. Around 7 is usually unity with Riveras so start there and go down a little at a time. This will let you turn the volume up and run the tubes a little harder and yet not blow out the windows. Its like a free attenuator :)

Thanks for the tip. I heard something like that before. Is that something that works on all FX loops with level controls?
 
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Because I have had the Celestion 70/80 speaker before and that's what it sounds like. I do not like it. I don't think they're "big bottle" tubes. They look like regular EL34's.

I can see what you're saying but there is usually a point on amps where you begin with the volume all the way down and gradually turn it up until the bass and mids start filling in. On most amps I have had I have been able to get to that point without getting too loud. This Clubster reaches that point at a rather loud volume.

I have found a couple of ways to get the tone more or less at lower volumes on this amp, but both involves a pedal. The clean channel allows me to go from a very low volume to a moderate bedroom volume, no problem except that my overdrive pedal doesn't have enough gain to get where I want. I need a distortion pedal.

The other way is turning the gain volume way down on the dirty channel and using a pedal, but it's louder than the clean channel by the time I get the sound set.

I spent a lot more time with my amp last night so I figured a few things out. I'll add some comments later.

i understand what you are saying.....i get the same thing with my marshall with the preamp gain vs full sound thing. I use a pedal too. But yeah el34s (i called the big bottle as opposed to little tubes like el 84s or 6v6s) can handle a lot of juice before they start compressing - which is good and bad i guess. the thing that i like about them tho is that even tho they dont saturate as easily as el84s...they do offer a lot more bass. I guess the real test will be when you try this thing with a band. You may find that even tho its not perfect at home, it will blend great with a band.

Just on the speaker thing....some speakers sound louder than others not so much due to the spl/db thing but more cos of the eq curve having a spike in the upper end. Maybe you will kill two birds with one stone with a speaker swap. I know its a pretty old formula but the g12t75 will give plenty of bottom and low mids without too bright a top end. they sound big in open cabinets too. The g12k100 is often overlooked tho - nice and fat in the mids with a warm top end. However it sound like you already have a good ear for speaker options. Wonder how it would go with a cannabis rex?
 
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i understand what you are saying.....i get the same thing with my marshall with the preamp gain vs full sound thing. I use a pedal too. But yeah el34s (i called the big bottle as opposed to little tubes like el 84s or 6v6s) can handle a lot of juice before they start compressing - which is good and bad i guess. the thing that i like about them tho is that even tho they dont saturate as easily as el84s...they do offer a lot more bass. I guess the real test will be when you try this thing with a band. You may find that even tho its not perfect at home, it will blend great with a band.

Just on the speaker thing....some speakers sound louder than others not so much due to the spl/db thing but more cos of the eq curve having a spike in the upper end. Maybe you will kill two birds with one stone with a speaker swap. I know its a pretty old formula but the g12t75 will give plenty of bottom and low mids without too bright a top end. they sound big in open cabinets too. The g12k100 is often overlooked tho - nice and fat in the mids with a warm top end. However it sound like you already have a good ear for speaker options. Wonder how it would go with a cannabis rex?

I was looking at speakers and wondering about the sensitivity rating. The Celestion 70/80 has a sensitivity of 98db while pretty much all of the Eminence speakers I'm interested in have 100+db. The way I understand it, a difference of 3db makes a big difference in how much less power is required to achieve a given volume.

I guess that means that any speaker I choose will be louder? Well if I try that FX loop jumper and it works then my problem will be solved.

Everyone seems to like the Cannabis Rex but I was thinking about the Redcoats because I kind of want to embellish the British nature of this amp since this amp sounds like what I would consider Vox meets Fender. One thing that's for sure is I don't like the 70/80 in there now. I think the 70/80 is not a bad speaker but needs to be in a cab with another kind of speaker to get a great sound.
 
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yes db rating does mean volume - but its always the peak volume at a certain frequency. So you get some speakers with a fairly modest db rating can seem louder than thosw with more For exapmle, a jensen c12n has 98.4 which i have replaced with a lorantz that has a 101db rating. The lorantz has a ton more bass and mids, but doesnt seem as loud because of its frequency response. A celestion g12t75 has a higher wattage rating than a jensen ,but again - it does not cut the same way, so its smoother on the ears. A big spike in the top end can seem louder/more painful.
So unfortunately, theres more to volume than just max db as well! A lot of it is to do with where that max db occurs in the frequency range. Also bear in mind that some manufacturers seem to have a different idea about how to measure dbs and their specs across the range are often different - so 100db to eminence could be different to 100db to jensen etc.
To be honest i have not tried the recoats (i know they make a wide range of these), but if they make one similar to a clestion G12T75, then youll get the fatter bass/low mids you wanted, with a less pronounced top. It has a lower frequency resonance than the seventy80. That will reduce the percieved volume of the amp - and make it sound bigger/warmer at the same time, as well as satisfying you british tone cravings. They also work really well in open back cabs. I reckon trying out a g12t (maybe even secondhand) would be worth it initially, cos they are plentiful and easy to get, and easy to sell again if you want to continue your tone quest and try a redcoat or something.
G12T75:
http://professional.celestion.com/guitar/products/classic/spec.asp?ID=5
70/80:
http://professional.celestion.com/guitar/products/originals/detail.asp?ID=15

while im on it - if you want smoother gain, go for jj tubes all the way thru the preamp. They are also very good for knocking off too much top end and adding girth.
 
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yes db rating does mean volume - but its always the peak volume at a certain frequency. So you get some speakers with a fairly modest db rating can seem louder than thosw with more For exapmle, a jensen c12n has 98.4 which i have replaced with a lorantz that has a 101db rating. The lorantz has a ton more bass and mids, but doesnt seem as loud because of its frequency response. A celestion g12t75 has a higher wattage rating than a jensen ,but again - it does not cut the same way, so its smoother on the ears. A big spike in the top end can seem louder/more painful.
So unfortunately, theres more to volume than just max db as well! A lot of it is to do with where that max db occurs in the frequency range. Also bear in mind that some manufacturers seem to have a different idea about how to measure dbs and their specs across the range are often different - so 100db to eminence could be different to 100db to jensen etc.
To be honest i have not tried the recoats (i know they make a wide range of these), but if they make one similar to a clestion G12T75, then youll get the fatter bass/low mids you wanted, with a less pronounced top. It has a lower frequency resonance than the seventy80. That will reduce the percieved volume of the amp - and make it sound bigger/warmer at the same time, as well as satisfying you british tone cravings. They also work really well in open back cabs. I reckon trying out a g12t (maybe even secondhand) would be worth it initially, cos they are plentiful and easy to get, and easy to sell again if you want to continue your tone quest and try a redcoat or something.
G12T75:
http://professional.celestion.com/guitar/products/classic/spec.asp?ID=5
70/80:
http://professional.celestion.com/guitar/products/originals/detail.asp?ID=15

while im on it - if you want smoother gain, go for jj tubes all the way thru the preamp. They are also very good for knocking off too much top end and adding girth.

A G12T75 sounds like an awesome speaker too. I love Marshall cabs which come with those but I never tried one in a 1x12. I posted a review on this amp and I mentioned the JJ's. I tried them in the power amp and preamp, then put the stock tubes back in the power section and kept JJ's in the preamp section. It's sounding better now but I really don't like this speaker in this amp. The new speaker should arrive on Tuesday so I'm excited about that.
 
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i have had a g12t72 in a princeton reverb II (too dark for that amp) and in a roland jc60 - perfect for that. They were both open backs. I did have a quadbox back in the day but thats not really relevant eh?
Thats good news on the tube front.
BTW - what speaker did you order?
 
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