Rockman Tone in 2017

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LLL said:
It cracks me up how these Rockman tone haters dismiss it by making "old, ancient" claims; as if just because a particular
tone was done decades ago, it is somehow useless and irrelevant today.
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I can get people not liking it. There are plenty of guitar tones I don't care for; some are considered benchmarks, many are featured on records that have sold better than my favourites. What I don't get is that adults feel the need to barge in and act like a donkey about it.
 
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Sirion said:
I can get people not liking it. There are plenty of guitar tones I don't care for; some are considered benchmarks, many are featured on records that have sold better than my favourites. What I don't get is that adults feel the need to barge in and act like a donkey about it.
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Well, you know what they say: "SSDD" (same **** different day)

They do the same thing here for EVH tone threads.

It's just sour grapes, forum-control-freaking and lack-of-attention jealousy.
 
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LLL said:
:smoker:

Is that so?

How about a tone challenge?

Your ZOOM MS 70CDR vs my attempt.

Annnnnnnnnd go!

:smoker: :naughty:
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I am not the one blessed with golden ear like our bro Lew Guitar, so to me it's plain and simple: A lot of chorus (intense depth, rate, and level), Hall reverb, one-note-at-a-time playing ala Phil Collen, and voila...there you have it, the Scholz tone.

I think "Hysteria" by Def Leppard is representative, especially the arpeggio in Def Leppard's "Gods of War".
 
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Sure, I will bang out a clip. Will you get a video maybe, maybe not. Will you get it in a month I doubt it, I have too much on my plate right now? This is something I would do on a slow weekend, cloning 20-year-old guitar tones is not my highest priority.
 
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Securb said:
Sure, I will bang out a clip. Will you get a video maybe, maybe not. Will you get it in a month I doubt it, I have too much on my plate right now? This is something I would do on a slow weekend, cloning 20-year-old guitar tones is not my highest priority.
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It's gotta be a video; cell phone works. Too easy to cheat with just a clip.

How much time do you need?

You mean "40 year old guitar tones"
 
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You don't get it this is not important enough to "cheat". I just bought a house 90% of my gear is in storage until the move in next month. I am living in a hotel with the JC120, five stomps and a couple of Les Pauls until the move. Even then this would take back seat to working on actual music for my band, working on the house, spending time with my girlfriend. You know, things that matter. Will I bang out a clip at some point, probably?
 
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Securb said:
You don't get it this is not important enough to "cheat". I just bought a house 90% of my gear is in storage until the move in next month. I am living in a hotel with the JC120, five stomps and a couple of Les Pauls until the move. Even then this would take back seat to working on actual music for my band, working on the house, spending time with my girlfriend. You know, things that matter. Will I bang out a clip at some point, probably?
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It's video or nothing - a very simple requisite that keeps everybody honest. In fact, a cell phone vid is far easier to do (for those who want to) than mic'ing and recording.

If 90% of your gear is in storage and you have "things that matter" to take care of, why bother to insert yourself into the challenge? You obviously don't currently have the time to spare nor the gear available.

Just let us know when you're actually ready (at 100% gear/time capacity) and we'll do this.
 
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Is this gonna be played with Scholz as the backing track like in post #2, or a cappella?
?
 
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Aceman said:
Is this gonna be played with Scholz as the backing track like in post #2, or a cappella?
?
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Why, you thinking about contributing too?


Better get to work. Feel free to use any tips of mine.
 
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LLL said:
Why, you thinking about contributing too?


Better get to work. Feel free to use any tips of mine.
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The thing is, that wouldn't be Rockman tone anyway. The first album was what, 1976? I was on tour in 1983 and that was the first time I had heard of a Rockman and someone put a Rockman in my hands and let me play through it. It sounded more like the second album, if anything. The music I most associate with a Rockman is the HSAS album.
 
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beaubrummels said:
The thing is, that wouldn't be Rockman tone anyway. The first album was what, 1976? I was on tour in 1983 and that was the first time I had heard of a Rockman and someone put a Rockman in my hands and let me play through it. It sounded more like the second album, if anything. The music I most associate with a Rockman is the HSAS album.
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That's correct - no Rockman on 1st & 2nd Boston albums.

I posted that vid to show "Ace" the tone/playing without backing tracks (prior vid had backing tracks).
 
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Sirion said:
I was just looking at Matrix cabinets, and it struck me that the Rockman systems seem to have pioneered the idea 25 years before the rest of the world came along. Has anybody tried a Rockmodule system or equivalent with a modern FRFR cabinet?

https://web.archive.org/web/2008030... - Full Range Cabinet Specifics...What Gives?
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I had the Rack Unit and the Octopus in the late 80's. I found the rack to be very noisy for live applications and quickly got rid of it. The Octopus does not have configurable tip/shield switching which made it unusable with my Chandler Tube Driver. I was disappointed with both purchases and returned them quickly. IIRC there was some kind of hack available to change the tip/shield switching on the Octopus. However, the lag in the switching was also a turn off.
 
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Obsessive Compulsive said:
I am not the one blessed with golden ear like our bro Lew Guitar, so to me it's plain and simple: A lot of chorus (intense depth, rate, and level), Hall reverb, one-note-at-a-time playing ala Phil Collen, and voila...there you have it, the Scholz tone.

I think "Hysteria" by Def Leppard is representative, especially the arpeggio in Def Leppard's "Gods of War".
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I dunno about a golden ear. More like an Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. Both a blessing and a curse. Yes: I notice things.

We were playing a gig in Alamosa, Colorado and the band drove to the famous sand dunes nearby and we all went out and walked around for a couple of hours. When we got back to our van, the driver had lost the keys somewhere out on the dunes.

So back out to the dunes we went in search of them.

Guess who found them?

I just kept looking for something in the landscape that didn't belong there.
 
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Securb said:
I had the Rack Unit and the Octopus in the late 80's. I found the rack to be very noisy for live applications and quickly got rid of it. The Octopus does not have configurable tip/shield switching which made it unusable with my Chandler Tube Driver. I was disappointed with both purchases and returned them quickly. IIRC there was some kind of hack available to change the tip/shield switching on the Octopus. However, the lag in the switching was also a turn off.
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So, which modern FRFR cabinet caused that noise? Please don't tell me that it was one of the Matrix cabinets! ;)
 
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Securb said:
I had the Rack Unit and the Octopus in the late 80's. I found the rack to be very noisy for live applications and quickly got rid of it. The Octopus does not have configurable tip/shield switching which made it unusable with my Chandler Tube Driver. I was disappointed with both purchases and returned them quickly. IIRC there was some kind of hack available to change the tip/shield switching on the Octopus. However, the lag in the switching was also a turn off.
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You prolly could have solved that problem easily with two other Rockman products:

Rockman Remote Loop
http://www.tom-scholz.com/Manuals/RL.pdf

Rockman Dual Remote Loop
https://www.rockman.fr/Reviews/DRL.htm
 
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I think a major reason why a lot of players didn't/don't like the Rockman is because it required some thinking and knowledge above and beyond the typical ("plug guitar into distortion box, then plug into dimed Marshall and crank it, dude") signal chain that was the rig-du-jour back then.
 
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Lewguitar said:
I dunno about a golden ear. More like an Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. Both a blessing and a curse. Yes: I notice things.

We were playing a gig in Alamosa, Colorado and the band drove to the famous sand dunes nearby and we all went out and walked around for a couple of hours. When we got back to our van, the driver had lost the keys somewhere out on the dunes.

So back out to the dunes we went in search of them.

Guess who found them?

I just kept looking for something in the landscape that didn't belong there.
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Reminds me of the giant comb scene in Spaceballs...
 
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