Rockman Tone in 2017
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Yep. It also keeps the amp tighter and more responsive, because bass frequencies take more energy to amplify; cutting the bass pre-distortion and putting it back in at the end is almost like playing through a higher-wattage amp with a bigger OT in terms of how the low-end reacts.
LesStrat
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:rant:LLL, why are you attempting to drag me into your silly adolescent argument?
Check what I said in the quote you lifted. Then consider the fact that the Skopp-man has fled the scene himself. You’ve done nothing to disprove my words, yet you did attempt to include me in your idiotic, immature, schoolyard shout fest. If you and securb want to spew insults at each other like a couple of 3rd graders debating who urinated the longest and farthest, you don’t require my assistance in measuring the results.
The only infraction I’ve ever received in a forum was for addressing your absurd attempts to establish yourself as the sole arbiter of what constitutes being a valuable member of the community.
Leave me out out of your childish debates.
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:rant:LLL, why are you attempting to drag me into your silly adolescent argument?
Check what I said in the quote you lifted. Then consider the fact that the Skopp-man has fled the scene himself. You’ve done nothing to disprove my words, yet you did attempt to include me in your idiotic, immature, schoolyard shout fest. If you and securb want to spew insults at each other like a couple of 3rd graders debating who urinated the longest and farthest, you don’t require my assistance in measuring the results.
The only infraction I’ve ever received in a forum was for addressing your absurd attempts to establish yourself as the sole arbiter of what constitutes being a valuable member of the community.
Leave me out out of your childish debates.
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Sirion
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Right, could you guys please not get this thread closed? I apologize for bringing the topic up again, but I neither want to know nor care about your opinions on each other, social justice etc. We've had a mostly good thing going for 21 pages here; pray keep it that way.
Right, could you guys please not get this thread closed? I apologize for bringing the topic up again, but I neither want to know nor care about your opinions on each other, social justice etc. We've had a mostly good thing going for 21 pages here; pray keep it that way.
LLL
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Scholz tone secrets... :27:
So the theory goes from my various researching online (and I've tested this theory and IMO it's accurate) that on the first 2 Boston albums (let's just call it the "classic Marshall amp Boston tone"), after the amp & attenuator & speaker cab, Tom ran the mic'd and/or line out through a "narrow band EQ"... e.g. a Crybaby Wah (my pref) or MXR 6-Band (keep in mind he had one in front of the amp too)... then to the board.
The above is a Tom quote, but I've also read from others that it was a Crybaby wah as the "narrow band EQ"...
For the vid I did on the 1st page, I placed an MXR 6-Band in front of the amp, and a virtual line out to a Crybaby at the tail end of the signal...
Scholz tone secrets... :27:
So the theory goes from my various researching online (and I've tested this theory and IMO it's accurate) that on the first 2 Boston albums (let's just call it the "classic Marshall amp Boston tone"), after the amp & attenuator & speaker cab, Tom ran the mic'd and/or line out through a "narrow band EQ"... e.g. a Crybaby Wah (my pref) or MXR 6-Band (keep in mind he had one in front of the amp too)... then to the board.
The above is a Tom quote, but I've also read from others that it was a Crybaby wah as the "narrow band EQ"...
For the vid I did on the 1st page, I placed an MXR 6-Band in front of the amp, and a virtual line out to a Crybaby at the tail end of the signal...
Sirion
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Interesting! I suppose that this is the kind of thing that would be a lot easier to emulate in a real-life context today than ever before, since cab simulators and similar gadgets have become common: would one get in the ballpark by running a wah (or some substitute) after a cab emulator into an FRFR speaker? This, in general, is a concept that interests me, since it is now possible to simulate ways to put effects after the cabinet – that is, where they would have been put on most recordings from the last 30-odd years!
Interesting! I suppose that this is the kind of thing that would be a lot easier to emulate in a real-life context today than ever before, since cab simulators and similar gadgets have become common: would one get in the ballpark by running a wah (or some substitute) after a cab emulator into an FRFR speaker? This, in general, is a concept that interests me, since it is now possible to simulate ways to put effects after the cabinet – that is, where they would have been put on most recordings from the last 30-odd years!
Gtrjunior
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Rockman Tone in 2017
Michael Sweet from Stryper does something similar. Instead of using a crybaby, he has a piece of outboard gear (of course I can’t remember what it is at the moment) which lets you set a certain amount of cocked wah tone.
I believe he shows/talks about it here.
Im not sure how he achieved his 80’s tone...maybe it was a Rockman, IDK. But this is how he does it now.
https://youtu.be/5imut6suAj4
Michael Sweet from Stryper does something similar. Instead of using a crybaby, he has a piece of outboard gear (of course I can’t remember what it is at the moment) which lets you set a certain amount of cocked wah tone.
I believe he shows/talks about it here.
Im not sure how he achieved his 80’s tone...maybe it was a Rockman, IDK. But this is how he does it now.
https://youtu.be/5imut6suAj4
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LLL
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Well, a month ago I picked up a Fulltone WahFull (see thread link); this could definitely fit the bill and be fully adjustable in a friendly user-interface way:
https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?328502-Fulltone-WahFull
Well, a month ago I picked up a Fulltone WahFull (see thread link); this could definitely fit the bill and be fully adjustable in a friendly user-interface way:
https://forum.seymourduncan.com/showthread.php?328502-Fulltone-WahFull
LLL
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Re: Rockman Tone in 2017
I notice his virtual wah freq is set to 707Hz... this is part of the crucial midrange (roughly 600-800Hz) that provides clarity (not brightness), allows easy pinch harmonics, etc... but too much and you get a honking duck. :lol:
I notice his virtual wah freq is set to 707Hz... this is part of the crucial midrange (roughly 600-800Hz) that provides clarity (not brightness), allows easy pinch harmonics, etc... but too much and you get a honking duck. :lol:
Re: Rockman Tone in 2017
If you want to go straight to rack mount gear, the Sustainor is probably the best. It's basically a guitar stack in a box including a cabinet simulation. If you already have stomp boxes or digital effects, they would work as well with a Sustainor as anything else.
If you want to go straight to rack mount gear, the Sustainor is probably the best. It's basically a guitar stack in a box including a cabinet simulation. If you already have stomp boxes or digital effects, they would work as well with a Sustainor as anything else.
beaubrummels
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Rockman Tone in 2017
I’d recommend a Zoom MS50G. Much cheaper, comes with a warranty, and does every other piece of gear you could want, after you get tired of the Rockman wah tone, several weeks from now. It’s a great sound, but there’s only so much music you can make with it.
I’d recommend a Zoom MS50G. Much cheaper, comes with a warranty, and does every other piece of gear you could want, after you get tired of the Rockman wah tone, several weeks from now. It’s a great sound, but there’s only so much music you can make with it.
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The Rockman headphone amps kind of lock you into the sound, but the Rockmodules are very flexible. You can even use the Sustainor pre-distortion effects loop to bypass the Sustainor's built-in compressor and gate.
The Rockman headphone amps kind of lock you into the sound, but the Rockmodules are very flexible. You can even use the Sustainor pre-distortion effects loop to bypass the Sustainor's built-in compressor and gate.
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Gtrjunior
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Agreed...I had absolutely no idea how widespread it’s use was thought the 80’s.
Agreed...I had absolutely no idea how widespread it’s use was thought the 80’s.
