roland gr 10- 20 - 55 where in the pedal chain?
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Re: roland gr 10- 20 - 55 where in the pedal chain?
For fully discrete parallel signal operation, the GK Driver governs the synthesizer volume levels and the guitar governs its own volume levels.
To have one volume control governing the overall system volume level, you need to run a short bespoke cable between the guitar's output jack and the GK Driver. Both signals pass down the 13-pin cable before being output separately from the sockets on the rear of the synthesizer unit.
I never cared for doing things this way. It seemed to detract from the guitar signal. (My guess is that some sort of buffering was introduced to the signal path.) My habit was to blend valve-overdrive guitar sounds with analogue synthesis.
For fully discrete parallel signal operation, the GK Driver governs the synthesizer volume levels and the guitar governs its own volume levels.
To have one volume control governing the overall system volume level, you need to run a short bespoke cable between the guitar's output jack and the GK Driver. Both signals pass down the 13-pin cable before being output separately from the sockets on the rear of the synthesizer unit.
I never cared for doing things this way. It seemed to detract from the guitar signal. (My guess is that some sort of buffering was introduced to the signal path.) My habit was to blend valve-overdrive guitar sounds with analogue synthesis.
Re: roland gr 10- 20 - 55 where in the pedal chain?
the gp 10 is different from the gr 20 because the gr 20 had only synth for guitars
the gp 10 /gr 55 has cosm and synth
my question is : how can i use the bypass of this gp 10 or gr 55 ?
to play with my pedals
not any way of bypassing the sounds? just with the gk 3?
the gp 10 is different from the gr 20 because the gr 20 had only synth for guitars
the gp 10 /gr 55 has cosm and synth
my question is : how can i use the bypass of this gp 10 or gr 55 ?
to play with my pedals
not any way of bypassing the sounds? just with the gk 3?
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Re: roland gr 10- 20 - 55 where in the pedal chain?
Roland owner's manuals are notorious for being translated from the original Japanese into so-called root languages and, then, translated a second time into one's local language. (In my case, Japanese > Italian > English.) The upshot of this is that some complicated topics are described in impenetrable text that is almost - but not quite - understood by English speakers. This only creates confusion.
If English is not your first language, you might do better to download the manual in another language in which you (and the Roland Corporation) are more fluent.
Roland owner's manuals are notorious for being translated from the original Japanese into so-called root languages and, then, translated a second time into one's local language. (In my case, Japanese > Italian > English.) The upshot of this is that some complicated topics are described in impenetrable text that is almost - but not quite - understood by English speakers. This only creates confusion.
If English is not your first language, you might do better to download the manual in another language in which you (and the Roland Corporation) are more fluent.
Re: roland gr 10- 20 - 55 where in the pedal chain?
http://www.rolandus.com/blog/2014/03/14/gp-10-guitar-processor/
i know that
about the bypass , where is it ?
the strings ensemble, where? boss tone website?
where must i add the gp 10 in my pedalboard ?
is it good with a card sound? better than a ht dual?
http://www.rolandus.com/blog/2014/03/14/gp-10-guitar-processor/
i know that
about the bypass , where is it ?
the strings ensemble, where? boss tone website?
where must i add the gp 10 in my pedalboard ?
is it good with a card sound? better than a ht dual?
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Re: roland gr 10- 20 - 55 where in the pedal chain?
I haven't t read the manual but the gp10 might not have a normal bypass function, like say for example Line 6 M13.
The closest thing to bypass in it i can think of would be to create a blank patch. Turn off every active effect block in the patch manually, noise gates as well. Save this patch & use it when you don't want to use the gp10.
Not sure where i would put the gp10 in a pedalboard, i don't use synth effects much.
I haven't t read the manual but the gp10 might not have a normal bypass function, like say for example Line 6 M13.
The closest thing to bypass in it i can think of would be to create a blank patch. Turn off every active effect block in the patch manually, noise gates as well. Save this patch & use it when you don't want to use the gp10.
Not sure where i would put the gp10 in a pedalboard, i don't use synth effects much.
Re: roland gr 10- 20 - 55 where in the pedal chain?
Can the GP-10 get a string sound? Maybe, with some multi-tap delay and pitch transposing, but that is a sound you are starting to get more of on high-end digital pedals without any kind of hex pickup. I can program all sorts of pads and things on my Fractal, so I am seriously considering (for the first time in 25 years) of not using a hex pickup loaded guitar.
My Brian Moore w/ piezos tracks very well, but do I need to sound like a piano? or a feeble sax? I am not thinking I do anymore. I am more interested in actual sound processing than triggering samples.
Can the GP-10 get a string sound? Maybe, with some multi-tap delay and pitch transposing, but that is a sound you are starting to get more of on high-end digital pedals without any kind of hex pickup. I can program all sorts of pads and things on my Fractal, so I am seriously considering (for the first time in 25 years) of not using a hex pickup loaded guitar.
My Brian Moore w/ piezos tracks very well, but do I need to sound like a piano? or a feeble sax? I am not thinking I do anymore. I am more interested in actual sound processing than triggering samples.
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Re: roland gr 10- 20 - 55 where in the pedal chain?
The GP-10 does not so much belong in a pedalboard as replace most of it.
Like the description says, it amounts to a scaled-down BOSS GT-100 but still uses the 13-pin GK Driver input whereas the GT-100 does polyphonic pitch detection via a conventional instrument cable.
The GP-10 does all of your amp, effect and/or synthesis modelling for you. Its output runs to a clean, linear amplifier or a full range public address system - possibly, even, in stereo.
I have never used a GP-10 but I have programmed up some believable Adrian Belew type textures on a GT-100. If you have not committed your funds yet, the BOSS GT-100 might be a better choice.
The GP-10 does not so much belong in a pedalboard as replace most of it.
Like the description says, it amounts to a scaled-down BOSS GT-100 but still uses the 13-pin GK Driver input whereas the GT-100 does polyphonic pitch detection via a conventional instrument cable.
The GP-10 does all of your amp, effect and/or synthesis modelling for you. Its output runs to a clean, linear amplifier or a full range public address system - possibly, even, in stereo.
I have never used a GP-10 but I have programmed up some believable Adrian Belew type textures on a GT-100. If you have not committed your funds yet, the BOSS GT-100 might be a better choice.
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Re: roland gr 10- 20 - 55 where in the pedal chain?
In general, different pedals and chain combinations are vastly different as well as ones ears. If I were to say put this in front of that it would not hold true to different makes of the same pedal type.
I would suggest start with one pedal, add the next one before or after and slowly build the chain trying combinations until you get what you like. I used a GR55 synth for time but I also ran two rigs for my std guitar chain. Things that require tracking and analysis of the guitar signal tend to like a cleaner straight signal to process without glitching and tracking burble. Some think that is a part of "tone" like an older Whammy which is a mono-phonic track that cannot handle polyphonic so it glitches like crazy, some think that is a part of the tone. :firing: These days modern pedals have improved so much in tracking and impedance handling you really do have to try things and see. I had to create a fullrange rig for my GR55 synth and run my std guitar on another chain. I could not really dig the blending of complex tones into a distortion. Delay and reverb effects for me will always be last in chain. I eventually sold off the GR55 and went more simple chain but god what tones and capability. Having strings, choir and things track under my heavy guitar was pretty awesome but I could not seem to blend all these into a single chain. The GR-55 tried to separate the straight guitar tones apart from the synth generators but one needed multiple amp setup and preferably fullrange speakers to really get the most out of it. When you start using synth voices of other musical instruments you find out real quick guitar speakers are what they are and have limited freq response. Depends how far you want to take it. The new guitar synth that does not use a 10 pin cable or hex pickup is amazing but not inexpensive. Makes a crap pile out of other "pedals".
In general, different pedals and chain combinations are vastly different as well as ones ears. If I were to say put this in front of that it would not hold true to different makes of the same pedal type.
I would suggest start with one pedal, add the next one before or after and slowly build the chain trying combinations until you get what you like. I used a GR55 synth for time but I also ran two rigs for my std guitar chain. Things that require tracking and analysis of the guitar signal tend to like a cleaner straight signal to process without glitching and tracking burble. Some think that is a part of "tone" like an older Whammy which is a mono-phonic track that cannot handle polyphonic so it glitches like crazy, some think that is a part of the tone. :firing: These days modern pedals have improved so much in tracking and impedance handling you really do have to try things and see. I had to create a fullrange rig for my GR55 synth and run my std guitar on another chain. I could not really dig the blending of complex tones into a distortion. Delay and reverb effects for me will always be last in chain. I eventually sold off the GR55 and went more simple chain but god what tones and capability. Having strings, choir and things track under my heavy guitar was pretty awesome but I could not seem to blend all these into a single chain. The GR-55 tried to separate the straight guitar tones apart from the synth generators but one needed multiple amp setup and preferably fullrange speakers to really get the most out of it. When you start using synth voices of other musical instruments you find out real quick guitar speakers are what they are and have limited freq response. Depends how far you want to take it. The new guitar synth that does not use a 10 pin cable or hex pickup is amazing but not inexpensive. Makes a crap pile out of other "pedals".
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Re: roland gr 10- 20 - 55 where in the pedal chain?
yes
i think it will be better with a special amp so, not with my pedalboard
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I played 3 times with the gp 10
i have it but i don't know it very well
there are several functions:
1) with soundcard: i must try
2) as a multi-effect with an amp: good for chorus, phaser and wah and more but yes, i must create a blank patch
and i don't like that
i know there is buffer but not any true bypass
i don't want to color my sound
i am not sure that i will bring this with a jcm 800 in the studio
i don't know
i like my pedals but i can try
3) with a pa system or an amp for synth : i have not this thing
4 ) with the gk 3 it will be better but with another kind of amp like i said before (not for guitar)
what i like with the gp 10 and gk 3 is:
12 strings guitar
acoustic guitars (Martin, Gibson )
banjo
sitar
another "metal acoustic guitar" like Knopfler used for romeo and juliet
national guitar
there are some synths but it's not as good as the gr 20
no strings ensemble (i like very much that)
there are old synths or waves or crystal
it's good but not amazing
the gr 20 has amazing sounds but some problems with tracking/latency and ghost notes
- i can have alternate tunings
a lot of amps
a lot of things to discover
the tracking, latency is excellent : no problem with the acoustic simulations
it's really great !
but i think i will buy a gr 55 because i like very much the strings
i know the gr 55 has less sounds that the gr 20 because they had COSM and other things
more than 900 sounds yes, but it's different
so i keep the gp 10 for the guitars simulation but i may sell it one day ! i will see
my main problem is to insert it in a pedalboard
to play with some sounds and with my traditional effects too
i don't want that my sound changes
with the gr 20 and gk 3 i could play with the gr20 and only with the guitar
it must be thought for the good settings
to have the synth sounds
and my pedalboard in action
i read that the gp 10 should be close to the amp : ok
or close to the guitar if i only want the multi effects
yes
i think it will be better with a special amp so, not with my pedalboard
))))I played 3 times with the gp 10
i have it but i don't know it very well
there are several functions:
1) with soundcard: i must try
2) as a multi-effect with an amp: good for chorus, phaser and wah and more but yes, i must create a blank patch
and i don't like that
i know there is buffer but not any true bypass
i don't want to color my sound
i am not sure that i will bring this with a jcm 800 in the studio
i don't know
i like my pedals but i can try
3) with a pa system or an amp for synth : i have not this thing
4 ) with the gk 3 it will be better but with another kind of amp like i said before (not for guitar)
what i like with the gp 10 and gk 3 is:
12 strings guitar
acoustic guitars (Martin, Gibson )
banjo
sitar
another "metal acoustic guitar" like Knopfler used for romeo and juliet
national guitar
there are some synths but it's not as good as the gr 20
no strings ensemble (i like very much that)
there are old synths or waves or crystal
it's good but not amazing
the gr 20 has amazing sounds but some problems with tracking/latency and ghost notes
- i can have alternate tunings
a lot of amps
a lot of things to discover
the tracking, latency is excellent : no problem with the acoustic simulations
it's really great !
but i think i will buy a gr 55 because i like very much the strings
i know the gr 55 has less sounds that the gr 20 because they had COSM and other things
more than 900 sounds yes, but it's different
so i keep the gp 10 for the guitars simulation but i may sell it one day ! i will see
my main problem is to insert it in a pedalboard
to play with some sounds and with my traditional effects too
i don't want that my sound changes
with the gr 20 and gk 3 i could play with the gr20 and only with the guitar
it must be thought for the good settings
to have the synth sounds
and my pedalboard in action
i read that the gp 10 should be close to the amp : ok
or close to the guitar if i only want the multi effects
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Re: roland gr 10- 20 - 55 where in the pedal chain?
I would agree that with the GP-10 or even the GR-55, it should replace your whole pedalboard, and just get used to running into a ful range amp. Things get tricky when you try to interface it with a normal pedalboard. It is easier to just program the sounds you want out of it and keep everything simple.
I would agree that with the GP-10 or even the GR-55, it should replace your whole pedalboard, and just get used to running into a ful range amp. Things get tricky when you try to interface it with a normal pedalboard. It is easier to just program the sounds you want out of it and keep everything simple.
Re: roland gr 10- 20 - 55 where in the pedal chain?
so, your advice is not to insert the gr 20, gp 10 or gr 55 into a pedalboard?
but with another amp?
yes it must be an easy solution but what i wanted to do is to have fun with the gk 3 = guitar +effets only
or guitar +roland gr only
this was possible with the gr 20 so i must think again about the settings
or i can wait for my new ehx MEL 9 with " the strings ensemble"+mellotron + choirs
another thing to think is that this Roland gr or others have a bypass?buffer? or nothing
so we must create a blank preset
empty preset ?
i don't like that very much
i am used to play with true bypass pedals except a Boss octaver and
i have one buffer pedal in my pedalboard too
or an A/B box
it's not easy when you use a delay with 2 outpouts too
so, your advice is not to insert the gr 20, gp 10 or gr 55 into a pedalboard?
but with another amp?
yes it must be an easy solution but what i wanted to do is to have fun with the gk 3 = guitar +effets only
or guitar +roland gr only
this was possible with the gr 20 so i must think again about the settings
or i can wait for my new ehx MEL 9 with " the strings ensemble"+mellotron + choirs
another thing to think is that this Roland gr or others have a bypass?buffer? or nothing
so we must create a blank preset
empty preset ?
i don't like that very much
i am used to play with true bypass pedals except a Boss octaver and
i have one buffer pedal in my pedalboard too
or an A/B box
it's not easy when you use a delay with 2 outpouts too
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Re: roland gr 10- 20 - 55 where in the pedal chain?
Send all signals to a mixer, then you won't have to worry. Get 1 full range amp (2 for stereo) and use amp sims on the straight guitar sound (or ones from the GP-10). Easy, and no routing problems, or sound problems from messing with a guitar amp.
Send all signals to a mixer, then you won't have to worry. Get 1 full range amp (2 for stereo) and use amp sims on the straight guitar sound (or ones from the GP-10). Easy, and no routing problems, or sound problems from messing with a guitar amp.
Re: roland gr 10- 20 - 55 where in the pedal chain?
Look into the boss LS2. It will allow you to do what you want, check the manual for sample connection ideas/examples.
Edit: i could not find a manual online so here's out it would work:
Guitar>LS2 input, LS2 output> Amp input.
LS2 Send 'A'> GP10 input, GP10 output>LS2 Return 'A'
LS2 Send 'B'> Pedalboard input, Pedalboard output>LS2 Return 'B'
It will allow you to select A or B, A+B, and more.
Look into the boss LS2. It will allow you to do what you want, check the manual for sample connection ideas/examples.
Edit: i could not find a manual online so here's out it would work:
Guitar>LS2 input, LS2 output> Amp input.
LS2 Send 'A'> GP10 input, GP10 output>LS2 Return 'A'
LS2 Send 'B'> Pedalboard input, Pedalboard output>LS2 Return 'B'
It will allow you to select A or B, A+B, and more.
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