Rosewood Grain
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ICTGoober
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Re: Rosewood Grain
OKAY - you are a mod, and there are rules you are tasked with having us follow, correct? You are supposed to keep order.
Well, there are rules about naming woods (and everything else on the planet). We should follow them, so there is order. RIGHT?
Otherwise, what we have is chaos, no understanding, and the result is anger.
All I want to do is point that out. There are rules for a reason. And the rule for rosewood is it must be a dalbergia. Mahogany is a swietenia. Ebony is a diospyros. Alder is betulaceae. And so on.
OKAY - you are a mod, and there are rules you are tasked with having us follow, correct? You are supposed to keep order.
Well, there are rules about naming woods (and everything else on the planet). We should follow them, so there is order. RIGHT?
Otherwise, what we have is chaos, no understanding, and the result is anger.
All I want to do is point that out. There are rules for a reason. And the rule for rosewood is it must be a dalbergia. Mahogany is a swietenia. Ebony is a diospyros. Alder is betulaceae. And so on.
Kamanda~SD
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Re: Rosewood Grain
ICTGoober - He's a mod on the forum and follows the forum rules. He's not here to enforce rules about rosewood. You really need to start chilling the **** out around here.
ICTGoober - He's a mod on the forum and follows the forum rules. He's not here to enforce rules about rosewood. You really need to start chilling the **** out around here.
Chistopher
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Re: Rosewood Grain
This is also an issue in the fishing industry. For example, there are about 30 different fish species sold as red snapper.
This is also an issue in the fishing industry. For example, there are about 30 different fish species sold as red snapper.
Kamanda~SD
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The issue isn't you trying to contribute good information, the issue is how you go on the attack and have hissy fits every time someone may be misinformed or disagrees with you. In this thread in particular you are the one going off on people when for the most part, they were agreeing with you! Hence my 'chill the F out' ... just take a second before responding. re-read. It goes a long way.
Your holier-than-thou and pretentious attitude is tiring.
The issue isn't you trying to contribute good information, the issue is how you go on the attack and have hissy fits every time someone may be misinformed or disagrees with you. In this thread in particular you are the one going off on people when for the most part, they were agreeing with you! Hence my 'chill the F out' ... just take a second before responding. re-read. It goes a long way.
Your holier-than-thou and pretentious attitude is tiring.
Silence Kid
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Re: Rosewood Grain
So far we have learned:
-Many woods within the genus 'Dalbergia' are rosewood yet exhibit disparate characteristics dependent on age, soil, species, location, etc.
-Non-Dalbergia woods can colloquially be termed 'Rosewood' yet are not true Rosewood
What I am still interested (or perhaps now interested) to know is whether a resource exists for a lay-person such as myself to identify the specific species, genus, age and/or other characteristics that cause rosewood to be rough and have the gouged/open grain; I do appreciate everyone's input to this point.
But I think Alex had earlier indicated that with so many variables (and post-production conditioning, dyes etc.) this is not easy information to glean.
So far we have learned:
-Many woods within the genus 'Dalbergia' are rosewood yet exhibit disparate characteristics dependent on age, soil, species, location, etc.
-Non-Dalbergia woods can colloquially be termed 'Rosewood' yet are not true Rosewood
What I am still interested (or perhaps now interested) to know is whether a resource exists for a lay-person such as myself to identify the specific species, genus, age and/or other characteristics that cause rosewood to be rough and have the gouged/open grain; I do appreciate everyone's input to this point.
But I think Alex had earlier indicated that with so many variables (and post-production conditioning, dyes etc.) this is not easy information to glean.
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Kamanda~SD
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Seems to be some good resources on wood-databse. However it mostly doesn't take into account aging etc.
http://www.wood-database.com/wood-a...osewood-from-east-indian-and-other-rosewoods/
http://www.wood-database.com/brazilian-rosewood/
It's also interesting to note there are varieties of 'Dalbergia' that are NOT considered rosewood either.
Seems to be some good resources on wood-databse. However it mostly doesn't take into account aging etc.
http://www.wood-database.com/wood-a...osewood-from-east-indian-and-other-rosewoods/
http://www.wood-database.com/brazilian-rosewood/
It's also interesting to note there are varieties of 'Dalbergia' that are NOT considered rosewood either.
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Same as grouper.
I've already talked about this. There is a difference between disagreeing civilly and acting like a jerk. Back to the OP.
Same as grouper.
I've already talked about this. There is a difference between disagreeing civilly and acting like a jerk. Back to the OP.
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MasterKtulu
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Re: Rosewood Grain
The rough and open grain on the right neck looks exactly like what I have on my 1991 Fender American Standard Strat (And that's the best guitar by far that I've ever owned). So I have no problem with the rosewood of the right neck, and would choose it before the left one.
The rough and open grain on the right neck looks exactly like what I have on my 1991 Fender American Standard Strat (And that's the best guitar by far that I've ever owned). So I have no problem with the rosewood of the right neck, and would choose it before the left one.
Silence Kid
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My '07 American Deluxe is actually closest among all the guitars I own to the "smooth/soft" but still grain-evident fretboard in my '66 Mustang. My '87 G&L is also quite similar.
But none of the above are so heavily lined or rough as the neck pictured, which is spot on to a MIJ Fenders I have (or owned at one point.) The smoothest necks I own are on Squiers and MIM Fenders, and I guess I learned to prefer that to the very rough MIJ guitars (but not to the US guitars I own.)
My '07 American Deluxe is actually closest among all the guitars I own to the "smooth/soft" but still grain-evident fretboard in my '66 Mustang. My '87 G&L is also quite similar.
But none of the above are so heavily lined or rough as the neck pictured, which is spot on to a MIJ Fenders I have (or owned at one point.) The smoothest necks I own are on Squiers and MIM Fenders, and I guess I learned to prefer that to the very rough MIJ guitars (but not to the US guitars I own.)
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The gearhead in me keeps expecting your sentences to end differently
The gearhead in me keeps expecting your sentences to end differently
Silence Kid
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Lol. I'm a Camaro/Corvette person.
Lol. I'm a Camaro/Corvette person.
Re: Rosewood Grain
As a Horticulturalist, ID-ing plants is what I do. Generally the things that are most used for Botanists to differentiate a species in the first place are flowers, growth habit and leaves. You'll note none of these are present in cut wood.
So the pores and their distribution/frequency is used, plus tests with water. But even then you realise that its structure depends on where in the tree the wood came from. Further up and there is less trunk size and weight, but more movement in wind, further down and there is more tree weight to be supported but less movement. Different microclimates make for changes in speed of growth, so there will be more or less pores to speed transport of water/sap. All of these make for a different look to the wood.
Going back to your MIM vs MIJ point.....I have a MIJ fretboard that could be the double of the one you showed. But I picked up another neck later that was much smoother as well.
The last thing to note in all this species discussion is that whilst we clump things together for classification, every individual plant that is growing has different genes as it is sexual reproduction even in plantation.
As a Horticulturalist, ID-ing plants is what I do. Generally the things that are most used for Botanists to differentiate a species in the first place are flowers, growth habit and leaves. You'll note none of these are present in cut wood.
So the pores and their distribution/frequency is used, plus tests with water. But even then you realise that its structure depends on where in the tree the wood came from. Further up and there is less trunk size and weight, but more movement in wind, further down and there is more tree weight to be supported but less movement. Different microclimates make for changes in speed of growth, so there will be more or less pores to speed transport of water/sap. All of these make for a different look to the wood.
Going back to your MIM vs MIJ point.....I have a MIJ fretboard that could be the double of the one you showed. But I picked up another neck later that was much smoother as well.
The last thing to note in all this species discussion is that whilst we clump things together for classification, every individual plant that is growing has different genes as it is sexual reproduction even in plantation.
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