Saw Demo Of New Line 6 Bogner Yesterday

[barbarianbrute]

40 watt in 1x12 or 2x12 at $699 or $899 respectively. did you guys know these are already shipped out to stores? awesome tone, yes. circuitry is cool. has cool features and built in wiring schemes if you want to use your pods with it.

is this the future? i can't say that. it still sounds like a pod through a tube amp. why is it worth it? maybe because you get the digital modeling stuff and a tube amp for a pretty decent price.

i won't buy one of these because i just don't think they're better than a good old fashioned tube amp, IMO. does sound good, but not anything for me to write home about. actually, maybe the bogner design is cool, but still the same kind of line 6 stuff. to me, it's like bogner said "here, do it this way." it's definitely not a bogner in the conventional sense.

then again, i'm not an amp expert. if you like all the modeling stuff and happen to need a 40 watt tube amp, maybe you'll like it. i'd prefer plugging a pod-xt or gt-8 into my tube amp.

 

[ratherdashing]

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Did you actually try one?

 

[barbarianbrute]

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na, there was a rep there playing it and a crowd of people around. i was only going to be there real quick to pickup a few pots, but i ended up staying 1/2 hour more to listen to the whole demo.

 

[Butch Snyder]

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I wish they'd model an ENGL or Egnator...

 

[ratherdashing]

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I'm waiting for an actual review from someone who's played one. I'm pleased that they're arriving in stores. I won't judge until I actually plug a guitar into it and make noise, but on paper it looks like exactly what I want in an amp.

 

[barbarianbrute]

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i don't need to play one to know that it sounds like a pod through a tube amp. i know because i used to do that. it's bogner designed, not bogner built.

 

[ratherdashing]

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Well obviously ... if it were Bogner built it would cost a buttload more than it does.

 

[Gearjoneser]

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I'd love to have that HD100 head, but at 100W, it defeats my purpose. I use my Valvetronix head in my livingroom mainly because it's good at NOT being too loud.

For $800 new, they priced it right. I wonder how they'll sell $1600 Vettas now???

 

[ratherdashing]

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^ no disrespect Joe, but your "Vox" AC30 is not quite the same as the Jennings-made vintage ones, which the models are based on.

Also, I'm not sure what you're talking about re. turning up the Variac ... what control is supposed to do that, and on which modeller?

 

[skyydogg01]

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when I get back from Abu Dhabi and get paid for it, I'll be buying the head. It looks to be the answer to my tone search.

 

[James Rock]

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^ no disrespect Joe, but your "Vox" AC30 is not quite the same as the Jennings-made vintage ones, which the models are based on.

He does have a valid point though because compared to even the valvetronix (that sound amazingly similar to actual AC30's) line 6 is a little short of the mark.

 

[J Moose]

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Nah, Joes on the mark there. The Line 6 model (like most of 'em) isn't even close to being right. Cut is cut... it's a presence/super hi frequency tuning... has little to do with midrange. Doesn't matter if it's a new "custom classic" or a Top Boost. The high & low EQ on the Top Boost only works on the "bright" channel anyway... doesn't do anything for the "normal" input.

I'm looking forward to checking one of these things out. I'm not getting my hopes up though & don't really expect it to sound like whatever it's supposed to emulate...

I just hope they sound "good" and have a good usable range of tones... which so far, hasn't been the case with any of the Lame 6 amps.

 

[Dr.Mavashi]

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a sad day in the tube world indeed ....

 

[J Moose]

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EDIT: maybe part of the reason I get so ticked off over it is because they screwed up royally the models I'd use the most. But also, its cause I'm imagining a bunch of computer programmers listening to a beatles record saying "ok we'll come close to that" who dont know a THING about amps! Or a bunch of guys sitting around trying to churn out as many new "model packs" as possible so they can pull in more $. I'm not saying thats what they're doing... but it does lend to that impression. I'd take 10-20 95% correct amp models over 142 40% correct ones (I think I can close to 120+ amp models and like 30 cab models when I finally sold the thing).

It's like the old ADA MP1's & so much of the '80s rack gear when MIDI was "new" and king.

Marketed as being able to sound like anything from old Marshalls to Soldanos...

Got 128 sounds...

Maybe five or six good ones... but no GREAT ones.

Personally, I think the whole Lame 6 "tube" amp thing is crazy & kinda funny.

For years now, going back to the first 2x12 amp, they've been saying that we can sell our tube amps, the future is here! The future is now!

But yet, every six months to a year the future gets reinvented into the past...

So this time they gotta use tubes to "get it right".

Ok.

What's the difference between this thing & running a POD into the FX return of a Rivera or whatever? Maybe a lot... maybe not much.

The AES convention starts Friday... I'm sure if Line 6 is there they'll have one on the floor...

 

[Gearjoneser]

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Today was the first day I'd even explored the details about this amp, which will ship to stores this month. The highlight was watching the Reinhold Bogner video interview on the Line 6 site. You guys should check that out, as well as all the other info on the subject of that amp.

I play through my real Bogner all the time....which is probably the best version of the Ecstasy that ever came off Reinhold's bench. But, I'm no longer a tube snob either. Anytime I can't turn up one of my tube amps, I just plug into my Valvetronix head/Bogner 2-12 cab, and it sounds fine. Don't forget that a cabinet plays a big part in an amp's tone, so using a modeling head with the same cab you use with your tube amps puts the tone REAL close.

Years ago, I always said that modeling will reach it's peak when it's mated with tubes, and apparently L6 and Bogner agree. I was happy to see the H&K Stiletto because it made me realize where this technology is headed, and it's headed in the digital/tube direction. If this new L6 sounds amazing, and closer to the sound of my Ecstasy, I'll gladly dump the Valvetronix for one. I like that amp, but I have semi-high hopes for this new L6/Bogner. Reinhold doesn't make mistakes. haha

 

[J Moose]

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Years ago, I always said that modeling will reach it's peak when it's mated with tubes, and apparently L6 and Bogner agree. I was happy to see the H&K Stiletto because it made me realize where this technology is headed, and it's headed in the digital/tube direction.

Maybe...

But I just think it's ironic that "tubes" are needed/wanted with modeling... When modeling for years has promised (but never come through) that we could get away from tubes.

Like I said, if there's one at the AES show I'll plug in for bit...

 

[James Rock]

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But I just think it's ironic that "tubes" are needed/wanted with modeling... When modeling for years has promised (but never come through) that we could get away from tubes.

Yeh true it seems what came to replace tubes (the second time after transistors) needs tubes and is still not as good as an all tube amp.

 

[J Moose]

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Yeh true it seems what came to replace tubes (the second time after transistors) needs tubes and is still not as good as an all tube amp.

Totally!

So yeah, is this just like a tube power amp with some distortion pedals in front?

I'm interested to see how it feels to play... if it reacts to picking dynamics & using the volume control on the guitar. Hopefully it's better then the Pods which SUCK at that IMO.

No feel. No vibe. It's mush. Better then a Rockman... but what isn't?!

I'd love to see if I can actually hear the difference between two or three similar guitars as well, couple of Strats or Pauls which is another weak spot on the Pods. I'll have four Pauls lined up & they all sound different plugged into "an amp" but more or less the same through a Pod. Probably won't have a chance for that at AES though...

 

[Gearjoneser]

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I agree. It is ironic that we can't completely get away from tubes. That's a good thing, because of the touch sensitivity and dynamic range issues.

There are some things to be gained from digital though.
The ability to choose hundreds of tones on the fly.
The integration of FX built in.
Onboard tuner (one of my favorite features)
Ability to sound cranked at room volume.
You can upgrade the software.

I'm not a huge proponent of modeling, claiming that it's ever going to be better than all tube, but I'd like to see more modeling/tube hybrids. Eventually, something will come out that totally floors everyone. It may not be this one, but it'll be fun to see what Line 6 has in 2015.

 

[J Moose]

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There are some things to be gained from digital though.
The ability to choose hundreds of tones on the fly.
The integration of FX built in.
Onboard tuner (one of my favorite features)
Ability to sound cranked at room volume.
You can upgrade the software.

Errrr...

Uhhhh...

HAHAHAHA

How are any of those "good" things?!

It not much of a struggle to plug in a tuner or some crazy FX box...

Lots of tones on the fly is great in theory... but only if they're good!