SD really should make the 59/Jazz Hybrid a production PU

[Ascension]

Re: SD really should make the 59/Jazz Hybrid a production PU

Yay!!!! Wait... what...?


I have no idea what you mean or what you want me to do. Care to explain?

/Peter

Sure. Think we all want to see a pickup that is the match for the Hybrid for the neck. I went to the site Mincer gave us the link to joined and made the recommendation of the pickup that most say is the best match for the hybrid a hybrid of the 59 and Jazz Bridge coils. Now it's up to you guys to do the same and back me up by joining that site and voting for it or also making the same recommendation. Instead of jumping on here and just lamenting about no one listening about this pickup I just gave you a way to act if that is really your intent. So put up or shut up. I do this in the political arena regularly give folk a course of action to get something done but like there here am only one person and the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

 

[Mincer]

Re: SD really should make the 59/Jazz Hybrid a production PU

Sure. Think we all want to see a pickup that is the match for the Hybrid for the neck. I went to the site Mincer gave us the link to joined and made the recommendation of the pickup that most say is the best match for the hybrid a hybrid of the 59 and Jazz Bridge coils. Now it's up to you guys to do the same and back me up by joining that site and voting for it or also making the same recommendation. Instead of jumping on here and just lamenting about no one listening about this pickup I just gave you a way to act if that is really your intent. So put up or shut up. I do this in the political arena regularly give folk a course of action to get something done but like there here am only one person and the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

I back you up. That site was created to have a direct line to the company's design team.

 

[Tone Meister]

Re: SD really should make the 59/Jazz Hybrid a production PU

Sure. Think we all want to see a pickup that is the match for the Hybrid for the neck. I went to the site Mincer gave us the link to joined and made the recommendation of the pickup that most say is the best match for the hybrid a hybrid of the 59 and Jazz Bridge coils. Now it's up to you guys to do the same and back me up by joining that site and voting for it or also making the same recommendation. Instead of jumping on here and just lamenting about no one listening about this pickup I just gave you a way to act if that is really your intent. So put up or shut up. I do this in the political arena regularly give folk a course of action to get something done but like there here am only one person and the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

I joined and voted within minutes of your recommendation post.

 

[Big Mike Blues]

Re: SD really should make the 59/Jazz Hybrid a production PU

I joined and voted. Sounds cool to me.

 

[Discharged]

Re: SD really should make the 59/Jazz Hybrid a production PU

@Ascension:

Not to be a Cassandra, but with some stats extracted from the SDRL site in hand, it'll probably become an exercise in futility.

Most voted item: Dual Stage 805 : 102 votes.
Most voted p'up related item: Phat Cat refresh: 98 votes.

Have you ever heard about either?

Neither did I.

Your Honor, I rest my case!

/Peter

PS: to be fair to the Co: with such a low turnout, if I was the COO, I wouldn't've approved the revision of either of them, considering the ROI being almost nil. The Co. is here to make money, something unavoidable when you've got to take care of hundreds of employees, some of them about to retire after forty-something years of service, not to make a few people happy. And of course the Co owe us users absolutely nothing.

The fact that in the past, when other people were involved, starting in 2004, they did a "forum p'up" every three years in average, is only anecdotal evidence.

 

[Chistopher]

Re: SD really should make the 59/Jazz Hybrid a production PU

@Ascension:

Not to be a Cassandra, but with some stats extracted from the SDRL site in hand, it'll probably become an exercise in futility.

Most voted item: Dual Stage 805 : 102 votes.
Most voted p'up related item: Phat Cat refresh: 98 votes.

Have you ever heard about either?

Neither did I.

Your Honor, I rest my case!

/Peter

PS: to be fair to the Co: with such a low turnout, if I was the COO, I wouldn't've approved the revision of either of them, considering the ROI being almost nil. The Co. is here to make money, something unavoidable when you've got to take care of hundreds of employees, some of them about to retire after forty-something years of service, not to make a few people happy. And of course the Co owe us users absolutely nothing.

The fact that in the past, when other people were involved, starting in 2004, they did a "forum p'up" every three years in average, is only anecdotal evidence.

I liked the idea about the Pickup Booster/805 in the same enclosure, but I don't think a 805/805 would be nearly as useful unless there were a few tweaks to one or both sides of the circuit.

 

[Discharged]

Re: SD really should make the 59/Jazz Hybrid a production PU

To be fair to the people of the SDRL, 90% of the presented "ideas", are either bad, inpracticable or already existed as a Duncan product. I'm sure they routinely looked, but after a while they too came to the conclusion of "what's the point?".

The fact of being a separate site with no relation whatsoever with the most active part of the Co's site, the forum, certainly doesn't help. Maybe the intention was good, but the project was not correctly analysed, as It doesn't deliver what's what set It for, conceptually speaking. Not for nothing there's a say: "The road to Hell Is paved with good intentions".

Also, looking back, only two "forum p'ups" ever made It to be a production item: the Custom 5 and the '59/Custom Hybrid. All others became Custom Shop only items. Ergo, always looking at stats, the chance of a "forum p'up" making It to a production item is practically nil.

That's *my* takedown. Add all the grains of salt you believe are necessary.

/Peter

 

[orpheo]

Re: SD really should make the 59/Jazz Hybrid a production PU

a reworked phat cat or 805 dual stage requires some R&D. A 59jazz hybrid requires NO new tooling. NO extra R&D. NO new wind patterns. NO new enclosures.

It's just mixing 2 coils that are already being made on nearly a daily basis. Same with SO SO many others.

They're not doing it because it is difficult or hard. They're not doing it because they're complacent.

 

[Big Mike Blues]

Re: SD really should make the 59/Jazz Hybrid a production PU

They're not doing it because they're complacent.

I think that's a reach.
They may not have enough call for it.

 

[blueman335]

Re: SD really should make the 59/Jazz Hybrid a production PU

a reworked phat cat or 805 dual stage requires some R&D.

Not really. The biggest issue with Phat Cats is the magnets. They don't sound like P-90's with A2's in them. Almost every other manufacturer making HB-size P-90's uses A5's, which have the crisp high end and firm low end of a real P-90. That's what people are expecting with Phat Cats, but not what they get.

 

[orpheo]

Re: SD really should make the 59/Jazz Hybrid a production PU

I doubt a mag swap will mag the phat cat truly amazing. I've got some p90 in hum size by AxesRUs and those are TRULY amazing. I swear, those are really great. Don't know the voodoo that's inside of them but I do know that they are really different under the hood compared to a phat cat. but OK, a magswap might do the trick.

About the jazz/59: no, it's truly that they just don't wanna make 'm cause they don't want to. That's the only reason. I've been at the factory a few times, worked for SD from '12 to '17 and heard this time and time again.

me: why not make the 59/jazz hybrid as an amazing companion to the 59/custom? it's absolutely bonkers how well that pickup works in conjunction with.

SD: OK, make one for us, we'll test it.

[made one]

me: see? you've got the parts in house, no extra cost, just make 'm.

SD: yes, the tones are really great! The tonal balance is there, the tones are unlike anything in our lineup. Great pickup!

me: so, you'll make 'm?

SD: no. We don't want to.

That's kinda how it went down in '13, '14, ' 15 and '17. After that, I kinda called it a day and threw the towel in the ring.

 

[Masta' C]

Re: SD really should make the 59/Jazz Hybrid a production PU

Interesting. Well, there's no harm in putting a few more voices behind yours this time around! Maybe they'll finally see the light...

 

[Discharged]

Re: SD really should make the 59/Jazz Hybrid a production PU

Maybe they'll finally see the light...

Fun fact: the '59/Jazz neck was presented to the Co. in 2004, together with the '59/Custom by a SDFUG member that goes with the handle "Bach2Rock".

If it didn't happen in over 15 years, I wouldn't hold my breath, if I was you...

All what the Co is and will do in the future is to make new models of p'ups only if can be attached to some famous player and with the exclusive focus in the Metalhead market.

Also, neck p'ups sell a lot less than bridge ones, so the math is not on your side either. :disappoin:sad::smack::rant::dunno::lame::33::thumbsdow:sigh::naughty::scratchch:banghead:oed:

 

[Mincer]

Re: SD really should make the 59/Jazz Hybrid a production PU

The good news is that you can still make them, or get the Custom Shop to make them right now.

 

[Discharged]

Re: SD really should make the 59/Jazz Hybrid a production PU

The good news is that you can still make them, or get the Custom Shop to make them right now.

Of course!

So you can pay $ 160,00 and wait six weeks for a $ 75,00 p'up that could be bought over the counter.

Win/Win, isn't it? Life is great! :banana::clap::fing2::arms::fest7::fest6:

/Peter

 

[Mincer]

Re: SD really should make the 59/Jazz Hybrid a production PU

The ones who are complaining here are the ones who know how to and have made them. Y'all can just keep making them if you don't want to pay for a Custom Shop one.

 

[Discharged]

Re: SD really should make the 59/Jazz Hybrid a production PU

The ones who are complaining here are the ones who know how to and have made them. Y'all can just keep making them if you don't want to pay for a Custom Shop one.

For the record, I was NOT the one that brought the subject up.

If I want one, I can either make it by buying 2nd-hand ones and putting'em together, just like Bach2Rock did in 2004, and even posted a thread with pictures about making an hybrid for the whole Forum to see, or even wind my own if needed, so I personally don't have any practical or substanciated reason to complain at all. I already KNOW complaining it's an exercise in futility. I learned it the hard way, and every time this subject comes up, the outcome keeps proving my point over and over again, throughout the years. You just do the math.

I'm just bringing the fruit of my personal experience, which I bet it'll be the same as the OP.

My prediction is: the voting in the SDRL won't go over 30 votes (it's 16 votes at this point), and it of course would be too little to even be taken into consideration. Which I'd totally agree, looking at it from a Manager's viewpoint. Too little to justify the investment in modifying the production assembly line the printed material going in the retail boxes and the cost associated with marketing a "new product".

Could we talk again about this about the end of september and see what happened? Deal?

/Peter

PS: the usual technique used by Effective Communication Experts to deal with unwanted light on a given subject is what's know as the Four D's: Deny, Deflect and Double Down. I'm actually reading the book on Effective Communication right now, as I've been asked to help with a small local political campaign in my neck of woods. I think's my both civic and moral duty to full disclosure. And as to spin things around is an essential part of the job as "ambassador", I though you'd like to know. You're welcome to PM me about the subject, as the more I read about, the more fascinating I find it!

 

[orpheo]

Re: SD really should make the 59/Jazz Hybrid a production PU

Helas, I am afraid that despite the benefits, SD just won't do it because they can get away with it.

On the upside: get a zebra and a reverse zebra pup and voila, you've got yourself, after hybridizing, a double cream.

I know what I'm gonna do later this year for my 1957 style Iron Maiden strat... (Fullshred/JB hybrid bridge, 59B/FullshredN hybrid neck, Alnico2Pro middle, all cream)

 

[Chistopher]

Re: SD really should make the 59/Jazz Hybrid a production PU

Not really. The biggest issue with Phat Cats is the magnets. They don't sound like P-90's with A2's in them. Almost every other manufacturer making HB-size P-90's uses A5's, which have the crisp high end and firm low end of a real P-90. That's what people are expecting with Phat Cats, but not what they get.

Two short bar A5s make the Phat Cats as good or better than any P90 I've ever heard. It's a shame that when somebody asks for advice on HB sized P90s we have to say "or you can get a set of Phat Cats if you're comfortable with mag swaps".

 

[Big Mike Blues]

Re: SD really should make the 59/Jazz Hybrid a production PU

I think people get a little too wrapped up.
The focus here is pickups of course, but the general playing guys that don't debate this stuff to the nth degree are usually fine with off the shelf.
the 59/C filled a nice niche, and it's a good pickup. There probably isn't enough marketing demand for something more specialized in the neck to match when a Jazz/59/PG etc will probably suit most people.